The War in Iraq is "Over"

[Gunny]

Hmmm ... I guess if O-blah-blah says so, it must be. And he's going to "bring our boys home", right? Isn't that the leftwingnut chant?

What's the first thing the government does when it "brings our boys home"? Draws down the military. Oddly enough, I seem to not recall hearing Herr Obama address this particular issue. Sure, he can hide some by shifting them to Afghanistan.

Wonder if he's got any of those "shovel-ready jobs" for the rest .... In case he hasn't noticed, the job market here isn't quite the best evuh.

[gabosaurus]

About time. An insecure job market is better than potential death. We need all American military out of Iraq, not just the active ones.
Now Obama needs to withdraw all our troops out of Afghanistan. Like he promised in 2008.
Our troops would be better used patrolling the Mexican border.

[Gunny]

About time. An insecure job market is better than potential death. We need all American military out of Iraq, not just the active ones.
Now Obama needs to withdraw all our troops out of Afghanistan. Like he promised in 2008.
Our troops would be better used patrolling the Mexican border.

Point is, the war isn't over just because he says so. Iraq is going to implode if he pulls our troops, that's if Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey don't carve it up.

He needs to finish the job and just saying so doesn't make it so.

He's a douche, and so is anyone that supports or votes for the commie.

[ConHog]

About time. An insecure job market is better than potential death. We need all American military out of Iraq, not just the active ones.
Now Obama needs to withdraw all our troops out of Afghanistan. Like he promised in 2008.
Our troops would be better used patrolling the Mexican border.

Outside of the national guard, it would be illegal to use soldiers to police our southern border. And I'm not sure that putting national guardsmen down there to man the offices while Border Patrol agents actually patrol the border is the best use of resources either.

As to Gunny's point. Do you or do you not agree with him that a war isn't over simply because one side goes home?

[gabosaurus]

He needs to finish the job and just saying so doesn't make it so.

Iraq is merely a more modern version of Viet Nam. There is no "finish." The only way out is to leave entirely and leave whatever happens to happen.
The invasion of Iraq was a total failure from the beginning, the product of a deluded American leader who thought that conflict was the only way to make himself famous.
The only real "douches" are those who feel military conflict is the only solution to problems.

[revelarts]

I've been asking what does "finish the job" mean for years,
maybe Gunny or ConHog can tell us.

It's worse mess now politically since we removed Saddam a minority nominal sunni and replaced him with a majority pro Iranian devout shia leadership. But it's been a corrupt mess from begining to end. the reason we went there was to "get them WMD's" well hey OOoopppps uh, that job's is done... well never needed to be done. And we aren't "nation building" so it's past time to get the heck out.


And I'm not sure why we should stay in Iraq killing and dying because the troops won't have jobs back home. Haven't the troop been complaining about stop loss and multiple tours and the like?
If jobs are why we are still in Iraq then we should just declare war on any number of small countries and get the rest of the U.S. back to work as soldiers too.

[ConHog]

I've been asking what does "finish the job" mean for years,
maybe Gunny or ConHog can tell us.

It's worse mess now politically since we removed Saddam a minority nominal sunni and replaced him with a majority pro Iranian devout shia leadership. But it's been a corrupt mess from begining to end. the reason we went there was to "get them WMD's" well hey OOoopppps uh, that job's is done... well never needed to be done. And we aren't "nation building" so it's past time to get the heck out.


And I'm not sure why we should stay in Iraq killing and dying because the troops won't have jobs back home. Haven't the troop been complaining about stop loss and multiple tours and the like?
If jobs are why we are still in Iraq then we should just declare war on any number of small countries and get the rest of the U.S. back to work as soldiers too.

I can't imagine any sane person sees war as a good way to provide jobs.

[fj1200]

I can't imagine any sane person sees war as a good way to provide jobs.

FDR's entire reputation is built on that premise.

[ConHog]

FDR's entire reputation is built on that premise.

And how exactly does that contradict what I said?

[fj1200]

Just an easy way to identify the INsane.

[ConHog]

Just an easy way to identify the INsane.

Honestly I think anyone who actually would WANT to be President is insane.

[gabosaurus]

I can't imagine any sane person sees war as a good way to provide jobs.

We haven't had any sane presidents for multiple decades. Some have merely been less sane than others.

The military is just like any other industry. It needs to trim the fat occasionally. Not that the war loving hawks ever see it that way. To them, casualties and bloodshed equal good business.

[pegwinn]

I've been asking what does "finish the job" mean for years,
maybe Gunny or ConHog can tell us.

I aint them, but if'n they don't mind I will take a shot at it.

The war is over and the job is done when the winner says so.

[Nukeman]

Outside of the national guard, it would be illegal to use soldiers to police our southern border. And I'm not sure that putting national guardsmen down there to man the offices while Border Patrol agents actually patrol the border is the best use of resources either.

As to Gunny's point. Do you or do you not agree with him that a war isn't over simply because one side goes home?

Actually the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress.

So if Congress decides this needs done they can authorize it..

[Gunny]

Iraq is merely a more modern version of Viet Nam. There is no "finish." The only way out is to leave entirely and leave whatever happens to happen.
The invasion of Iraq was a total failure from the beginning, the product of a deluded American leader who thought that conflict was the only way to make himself famous.
The only real "douches" are those who feel military conflict is the only solution to problems.

You're lowering the property value of this thread. The REAL douches are anyone who supports or voted for Herr Obama. Period.

As to your other failed attempt at a point, it is moot. We're there. Doesn't matter why or how except in little pea-brains more worried about blaming someone than fixing something. We started it, we finish.

You shouldn't be allowed to vote.