In light of his latest comments about how he just didn't know what to do when certain things were reported to him visa vie Sandusky, has anyone changed their opinion about him being fired?
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In light of his latest comments about how he just didn't know what to do when certain things were reported to him visa vie Sandusky, has anyone changed their opinion about him being fired?
Smitten Senior Admin
Only if my being even more sure than ever that he shouldn't have been fired, constitutes a change of mind.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
Steelers in '23
Not me, my stance remains the same. He told the school authorities and it's their job to handle it from there. He stated he didn't want to make follow up calls to the school officials handling it as he didn't want to appear to be exerting influence either way.
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock
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Even though the law on who he's supposed to contact is clear?Originally Posted by jimnyc
Amazing.
Oh, and I know how you feel about the grad assistant and I agree, how is Paterno gone, but that douche is still working for PSU?
Smitten Senior Admin
I think Jim and I have felt all along that the grad student should have been fired; not Paterno.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
Your head exploded
I KNEW Jim had , but I didn't remember your stance from the last thread on the subject.
I think everyone who had ANY knowledge should be fired.
However, here's my question, why should the grad assistant be fired but not JoePa? They both did the same thing. Reported it to their superiors, rather than the police as required by law. Either they both should have been fired or neither should have been IMO.
Steelers in '23
We've been through this, the law did not apply to Paterno as he was not a school official. There has been a billion articles about this, and even an arrest of a school administrator for not doing just what you say. But that law doesn't apply to a coach. Paterno did what he was supposed to do, contact school officials and make them aware.
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock
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I absolutely, positively disagree with you on your definition of school official.
But, let's set that aside because we will never agree. Don't you agree that from a MORAL standpoint he should have either
A) Called the police
or
B) outright killed the fucker, THEN called the police?
IF that were me, at a minimum A would have happened, possibly B.
Certainly B if I had been the grad assistant who actually witnessed it.
Steelers in '23
You can disagree all you like, but it's a fact. I don't need you to agree with me to know it's a fact. It's been discussed ad nauseum everywhere, and even someone at PSU was arrested for that very reason. "IF" it were as you say, then Paterno would be in violation and would have been arrested. I highly doubt that Pa. State Police arrested one man and are willfully ignoring another. The law clearly states that it would need to be a school official, and goes further on to clarify who they consider school officials, and a coach isn't one of them. I posted the law awhile back and am not searching again. He doesn't qualify as a mandatory reporter, and that's a fact.
As for what WE think he should have done, that means very little. Off the top of my head I say I would have called instantly, but I'm not Coach Joe and I don't know every intimate little detail. Nor did he probably, which is why he reported it to the AD and let the appropriate channels do their job.
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock
Just Me
What's more amazing is that this is a legal issue and "some people" allow the fact that his team kicked their team's as to emotionally control their opinion.
Half this argument goes to the fact Paterno was an awesome coach and always pulled off underdog victories. Sad that our legal opinions have come down to that.
Wouldn't want anyone like tht on any jury sitting in judgment of me. By law, PROVE he was complicit or shut up. That simple. He doesn't have to prove his innocence. That's leftwingnut/Neocon BS.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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That would be true, IF this were a legal matter. Paterno didn't commit a crime under they law if he isn't considered to be a school official. It is more one of morals. And in today's college football world, morals and ethics count. And they should ALWAYS count when it comes to children.
Oh, and Arkansas has never played Penn St. A shame if you ask me, I'd love to play them, would have loved to when JoePa was on top to.
Smitten Senior Admin
Bottom line: The only person who allegedly saw Sandusky doing anything was the grad student. He is the one who should have called to police; not pass the buck to Paterno.
His only telling Paterno, is the same as Paterno only telling school authorities, with two key differences in Paterno's favor:
1. He (the grad) student saw it; Paterno did not.
2. Telling Paterno was the grad student's choice. The people Paterno told were exactly the people he was supposed to tell.
Especially after the Paterno interview, wherein the information told to Paterno was apparently vague, I believe that Paterno did what he was supposed to do. If the reporting law does not support your version of morality, then work to change the reporting law. But don't fire the guy (scapegoat) who did what he was supposed to do.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
Just Me
It IS a legal matter. And today's college football world is only exceeded in corruption by the NFL. Anyone thinking it's about morals is naive. I'd like to know WHERE you think morals and ethics count in the NCAA? Shall we start with them turning the National Championship into a computerized joke?
Fact is, if I was going to take a moral stance, I'd choose Paterno as one of the LEAST morally corupt coaches during my lifetime. Penn State's players played because they wanted to play. They wear nondescript uniforms and never even had their names on the jerseys. There's no "I" in "team".
Your last sentence just proves my point in my previous post. You can't diferrentiate between a kid's game and the law.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
Just Me
What was he supposed to do? Fire Sandusky because "someone said"?
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Effectively he was fired after the 1999 incident. I mean technically he resigned, but we know what that means........... He was just allowed further access to the program after that AND he was allowed to take little boys into the locker rooms not just after the first incident that was reported to police, but after the second incident, which was NOT reported to police.
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