That's cool, you're right, no reason to rehash. My question was answered by you and Abby.Originally Posted by jimnyc
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That's cool, you're right, no reason to rehash. My question was answered by you and Abby.
Just Me
What was he supposed to do? Fire Sandusky because "someone said"?
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Effectively he was fired after the 1999 incident. I mean technically he resigned, but we know what that means........... He was just allowed further access to the program after that AND he was allowed to take little boys into the locker rooms not just after the first incident that was reported to police, but after the second incident, which was NOT reported to police.
Just Me
What's more amazing is that this is a legal issue and "some people" allow the fact that his team kicked their team's as to emotionally control their opinion.
Half this argument goes to the fact Paterno was an awesome coach and always pulled off underdog victories. Sad that our legal opinions have come down to that.
Wouldn't want anyone like tht on any jury sitting in judgment of me. By law, PROVE he was complicit or shut up. That simple. He doesn't have to prove his innocence. That's leftwingnut/Neocon BS.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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That would be true, IF this were a legal matter. Paterno didn't commit a crime under they law if he isn't considered to be a school official. It is more one of morals. And in today's college football world, morals and ethics count. And they should ALWAYS count when it comes to children.
Oh, and Arkansas has never played Penn St. A shame if you ask me, I'd love to play them, would have loved to when JoePa was on top to.
Smitten Senior Admin
Bottom line: The only person who allegedly saw Sandusky doing anything was the grad student. He is the one who should have called to police; not pass the buck to Paterno.
His only telling Paterno, is the same as Paterno only telling school authorities, with two key differences in Paterno's favor:
1. He (the grad) student saw it; Paterno did not.
2. Telling Paterno was the grad student's choice. The people Paterno told were exactly the people he was supposed to tell.
Especially after the Paterno interview, wherein the information told to Paterno was apparently vague, I believe that Paterno did what he was supposed to do. If the reporting law does not support your version of morality, then work to change the reporting law. But don't fire the guy (scapegoat) who did what he was supposed to do.
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I'd fire everyone associated with PSU football Abbey. Including the entire BoT who knew for 5 months that Sandusky was being investigated for ANOTHER incident and still no one from the President on down to Paterno said "hey guys, maybe we shouldn't let this guy bring kids to the locker rooms anymore, JUST IN FUCKING CASE?'
I LOVE Razorback football, and I love Coach Petrino, but if this EVER happened at the University of Arkansas I would not only stop donating every year, I would not only stop attending games or buying merchandise, I wouldn't even watch another game on TV, not EVER. It's completely disgusting that so many people at Penn St knew KNEW that that sick fuck is a predator and using his charity and his access to the facilities at Penn State to prey on kids.
Just Me
It IS a legal matter. And today's college football world is only exceeded in corruption by the NFL. Anyone thinking it's about morals is naive. I'd like to know WHERE you think morals and ethics count in the NCAA? Shall we start with them turning the National Championship into a computerized joke?
Fact is, if I was going to take a moral stance, I'd choose Paterno as one of the LEAST morally corupt coaches during my lifetime. Penn State's players played because they wanted to play. They wear nondescript uniforms and never even had their names on the jerseys. There's no "I" in "team".
Your last sentence just proves my point in my previous post. You can't diferrentiate between a kid's game and the law.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
Just Me
You're too wrapped around college football, and you're too politcally correct.
I'm not firing ANYONE until you show me some f*cking evidence as the law of this land requires.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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ugh what?
First of all, there has NEVER been a national championship in Div I football. It has always ALWAYS been mythical. THe NCAA didn't do anything to change that.
Second of all, it has EVERYTHING to do with morals. How disgusting that you don't think a coach who KNEW that a pedophile was using his facilities to interact with children should maybe put a stop to said pedophile from using his facilities, the requirements of the law be damned.
If you want to pretend that Petrino didn't KNOW Sandusky was a pedophile by 2002 then I'm just done discussing this thread with you. He'd have to be stupid, senile, or both not to know it after TWO incidents, one of which Sandusky himself told the cops he was involved.
Five months Gunny, five months the BoT at PSU were aware the guy was being investigated and a grand jury was ready to indict the guy and they nor Paterno stopped the guy from bringing kids to Penn State's locker room?
Sick.
Your last sentence didn't even make sense.
Steelers in '23
Administrators, yes - but you STILL haven't shown that JoePa had the authority to do so. Your speaking simply out of your opinion and anger, but lacking in facts. Paterno did what he was supposed to do, period. He is not a police officer nor is he a judge.
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I'm not pretending anything. Read the law. THEN, when you provide factual evidence to support your case, I might have something to read. Your assumptions/biased opinons are NOT factual evidence. Start from there.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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I'm not angry Jim. If this happened at Arkansas I'd be angry.
Please stop acting like the head coach at Penn State University, especially one with the clout that Paterno had couldn't have simply said "hey you're not allowed in my locker rooms anymore" and it wouldn't have been a done deal. It certainly would have been and NO ONE would have over ridden paterno. You know that................ You're the one who's letting anger define his argument, not me. You absolutely , positively, without a shadow of a doubt KNOW that if Paterno had barred him from the locker rooms at PSU, it would have been the way it was.
Why wasn't it done? Best guess b/c Penn St was hoping to keep the whole thing quiet and that it would just go away. That makes JoePa part of a coverup.
You insult your own intelligence when you can't even admit that yes Paterno certainly had the unilateral authority to bar someone from the facilities.
Now, if you'd like to present an argument about why he shouldn't have done so, let's have it, but all you're going to do is continue saying that he did what was required of him and pretending like he couldn't have barred the guy from campus then I'm just going to concede that your anger has gotten the best of you in this thread, and bail out.
Just Me
Your entire post is nothing but assumptions. Not admissible in a court of law.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Exactly the point, no court of law was needed for Paterno to say " sorry, you're not allowed to use our facilities anymore" and that is EXACTLY what he should have done probably in 1999 after the first incident and CERTAINLY in 2002 after the second incident.
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