Go to Google... WTF is going on?

[jimnyc]

I (mostly) get all of that. I guess I'm with you that they can work with what they have. I remember last year? the Fed's shut down a bit torrent? site that got everyone up in arms about government action but in my mind it was completely justified given current IP laws.

Yep, you'll see sites, under current law, disappear and then followed with a new message telling everyone that the website has been seized by ICE. So they do have a lot of power now, but this bill is giving them WAY too much power. I think they'll rewrite it and come back with something very specific.

Here's what you see when visiting a site that has been seized:

[fj1200]

Yup, I recognize that. I wonder what the initiating action is? A civil complaint or an action initiated by the Feds? Either way they hopefully need to prove their case prior to seizure. It mentions a seizure warrant so that implies to me that it was signed by a judge.

[Gunny]

I (mostly) get all of that. I guess I'm with you that they can work with what they have. I remember last year? the Fed's shut down a bit torrent? site that got everyone up in arms about government action but in my mind it was completely justified given current IP laws.

Yup, I recognize that. I wonder what the initiating action is? A civil complaint or an action initiated by the Feds? Either way they hopefully need to prove their case prior to seizure. It mentions a seizure warrant so that implies to me that it was signed by a judge.

Why do we need IP laws? Looks like just another form of Federal Government control to me. The ideal of freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's not one-sided. It isn't okay for Jews to whine and Nazi's not be allowed the same. It isn't okay that the left controls the media and the right has no recourse. Equal access, right? Isn't that how the left managed their loser-ville and now defunct Air America? And as a reward for failing, they voted one of the worst comedians and most politically inept people - Al Frankin -- into office.

Seems we have a divide and an issue in thsi country as to just what Constitutional Rights are and WHO rates them.

[fj1200]

Why do we need IP laws?

You don't think we should protect the intellectual property of a persons creativity? Patents, copyrights, etc.? It seemed important enough to include in the constitution iirc.

[Gunny]

You don't think we should protect the intellectual property of a persons creativity? Patents, copyrights, etc.? It seemed important enough to include in the constitution iirc.

We already do, by law. Please clarify your point.

And the riders that allow the Fed Government to dictate to and control the internet as riders to those bills. Please. Thanks.

[fj1200]

We already do, by law. Please clarify your point.

Yes, and it's basis is in the constitution so why did you ask...

Why do we need IP laws?

And the riders that allow the Fed Government to dictate to and control the internet as riders to those bills. Please. Thanks.

Because IP protection is at the heart of their request for powers.

[Sir Evil]

You don't think we should protect the intellectual property of a persons creativity? Patents, copyrights, etc.? It seemed important enough to include in the constitution iirc.

To a degree yes but here is my problem with the whole copyright shit! When I started my music collection at a young age 8track tapes were in (Screw you Gunny, I'm not that old!), I start my collection and 8 tracks get phazed out, I start over again with vinyl, build a huge collection and vinyl gets virtually fazed out, now I start once again with cassettes and yeah they get phazed out by CD's.. now these fuckers collected royalties 4 times over from me and now I am in trouble if I download one of the albums that I already paid a bundle into royalties? Thats some bullshit if you ask me! Our government sucks ass and this alone should put that monkey out of office in my opinion! Now his brothers from other mothers are going to be robbing whitey of their music collections so they can play music in their cadillacs which is already being paid for with welfare checks!!!

[Sir Evil]

If in doubt, save your IPs for manual access.

megaupload.com 174.140.154.20


and ofcourse, debate policy - 69.73.139.27

Take megaupload of that list.... government shut it down!

MegaUpload shut down by feds: Why do we need SOPA?

File-sharing mecca MegaUpload.com is dead, shut down at the hands of the US federal government. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has arrested four people, and charged three others, in the anti-piracy sting. The forced closure of MegaUpload comes just one day after a mass online protest against two pieces of legislation that aim to increase the power of copyright holders to block access to websites that illegally distribute intellectual property, like music and movies.http://news.yahoo.com/megaupload-shu...225952735.html

[Noir]

Take megaupload of that list.... government shut it down!

MegaUpload shut down by feds: Why do we need SOPA?

File-sharing mecca MegaUpload.com is dead, shut down at the hands of the US federal government. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has arrested four people, and charged three others, in the anti-piracy sting. The forced closure of MegaUpload comes just one day after a mass online protest against two pieces of legislation that aim to increase the power of copyright holders to block access to websites that illegally distribute intellectual property, like music and movies.http://news.yahoo.com/megaupload-shu...225952735.html

And the internet is biting back -

Anonymous has sure been quiet lately, but today’s federal bust of Megaupload riled ‘em up good: a retaliatory strike against DoJ.gov has left it completely dead.

DownForEveryoneOrJustMe.com is reporting the department’s site as universally nuked, and an Anonymous-affiliated Twitter account is boasting success. This is almost certainly the result of a quickly assembled DDoS attack, and easily the widest in scope we’ve seen in some time. If you had any doubts Anonymous is still a hacker wrecking ball, doubt no more.

The combination of the hacking nebula’s SOPA animosity — they’ve been a vocal opponent of the bill since its inception — combined with today’s sudden Megaupload news has made the group bubble over: hundreds upon hundreds of Anon operatives are in a plotting frenzy, chatting about which site will go down next. In Anon’s eyes, the government and media interests are responsible for the undue destruction of Megaupload (and the arrest of four of its operators), so it’ll be exactly those entities that are feeling the pain right now. Pretty much every company that makes movies, TV or music, along with the entirety of the federal government, is in Anonymous’ crosshairs.

Update: Anonymous says they’ve also knocked off the RIAA’s site — looks down for us at the moment as well.
Update 2: Universal Music Group has also fallen off an e-cliff.
Update 3: Goodbye for now, MPAA.org.
Update 4: Affected sites are bouncing in and out of life, and are at the very least super slow to load. Anon agents are currently trying to coordinate their DDoS attacks in the same direction via IRC.
Update 5: The US Copyright Office joins the list.
Update 6: This Anon sums up the mood in their “official” chat room at the moment:
Update 7: Russian news service RT claims this is the largest coordinated attack in Anonymous’ history — over 5600 DDoS zealots blasting at once.

[logroller]

I came across this response from a writer who's been the victim of plagiarism. Here's the link, the piece is released from copyright for personal use, or in the author's words, "Feel free to use whatever is relevant or useful to you:" Here's an excerpt.

Megacompanies like Amazon need to be held accountable. They did their best to evade me, making their legal department all-but-unreachable, and then when I threatened them with legal action, they simply took down the pirated article without acknowledging my correspondence or compensating me for my stolen work. The big money-making machines, like Amazon, need to know that the DOJ has them in their sights, that authors need to be respected and protected.

But indiscriminate, sweeping legislation like SOPA or PIPA is not the answer. It throws the baby out with the bath water. It will not stop the internet megacorporations from their sloppy, unethical (and lucrative) practice of ignoring stolen work, but it will seriously damage the free exchange of ideas and information that is the life’s blood of the internet. The people of the internet are united in our opposition to SOPA and PIPA.

Just curious, how many contacted a representative? I did.

[fj1200]

To a degree yes but here is my problem with the whole copyright shit! When I started my music collection at a young age 8track tapes were in (Screw you Gunny, I'm not that old!), I start my collection and 8 tracks get phazed out, I start over again with vinyl, build a huge collection and vinyl gets virtually fazed out, now I start once again with cassettes and yeah they get phazed out by CD's.. now these fuckers collected royalties 4 times over from me and now I am in trouble if I download one of the albums that I already paid a bundle into royalties? Thats some bullshit if you ask me! Our government sucks ass and this alone should put that monkey out of office in my opinion! Now his brothers from other mothers are going to be robbing whitey of their music collections so they can play music in their cadillacs which is already being paid for with welfare checks!!!

That last part aside... how are they to distinguish between your "justified" download and one that is unjustified. Also, why don't you upload your CDs? Besides, are they still collecting copyright on Foghat: Energized?

[Gunny]

Yes, and it's basis is in the constitution so why did you ask...





Because IP protection is at the heart of their request for powers.

If it's already covered by the Constitution, why do we need yet another law to cover something we already have?

Congress can't balance the budget. It can't rein in a rogue, communist President. But it CAN make sure it adjourns for Christmas, and it can stick its nose into shit that is so far down the priority list no one could survive the fall to get that far down the ladder.

Sorry. IMO, just another ploy for the Federal Government to monitor us.

[fj1200]

^It gives Congress the power to make the law, it isn't a law by itself. But I agree, it's a bad law as they already have the tools they need to attack the problem.

[Gunny]

^It gives Congress the power to make the law, it isn't a law by itself. But I agree, it's a bad law as they already have the tools they need to attack the problem.

Damn. I'm going to be ill. Agree with you AND Gabby on the same day?

[Gaffer]

To a degree yes but here is my problem with the whole copyright shit! When I started my music collection at a young age 8track tapes were in (Screw you Gunny, I'm not that old!), I start my collection and 8 tracks get phazed out, I start over again with vinyl, build a huge collection and vinyl gets virtually fazed out, now I start once again with cassettes and yeah they get phazed out by CD's.. now these fuckers collected royalties 4 times over from me and now I am in trouble if I download one of the albums that I already paid a bundle into royalties? Thats some bullshit if you ask me! Our government sucks ass and this alone should put that monkey out of office in my opinion! Now his brothers from other mothers are going to be robbing whitey of their music collections so they can play music in their cadillacs which is already being paid for with welfare checks!!!

I know how you feel. Been there myself. I feel that music I have previously paid for is mine. So if I down load an mp3 to listen too they can't say I stole it because I own it on tape or record. Someone was just nice enough to make an mp3 from a record and makes it convenient for me to play the song on my computer.