Go to Google... WTF is going on?

[fj1200]

I know how you feel. Been there myself. I feel that music I have previously paid for is mine. So if I down load an mp3 to listen too they can't say I stole it because I own it on tape or record. Someone was just nice enough to make an mp3 from a record and makes it convenient for me to play the song on my computer.

Even if you swing that argument, the source that you got it from may either be engaging in, or facilitating, piracy. It's justifiable to shut down that site and others like it. IF the rules were observed by all it's unlikely you would have the chance to download a song without some sort of compensation going to the creator.

[Sir Evil]

That last part aside... how are they to distinguish between your "justified" download and one that is unjustified. Also, why don't you upload your CDs? Besides, are they still collecting copyright on Foghat: Energized?

Nothing to destinguish! Most who download music generally are true enthusiasts ans will likely by the real deal if they like it, the rest that outright steal the shit don't amount remotely close to the claims of industry loss.

Upload my cd's? Thats fucking worse then downloading, thats exactly what gets most people in the shit to beging with. If I upload some music for you to download, then I am redistributing the copyright I don't have ownership to and therefor am in copyright violation. At least a download can be used to sample and discard without actually violating copyright.

And is foghat still collecting royalties? hell yeah if another unit of that album sells today they collect. My point exactly! You get whiny bitches like the Metallica drummer who made the big stink that brought down Napster meanwhile the fucker laughs all the way to the bank, were illegal downloads really hitting the band in the wallet? yeah, not really. In fact many modern bands approve of downloading and many of them offer free downloads just so their music does get distributed to people who may not be familiar with them.

Damn, I own stock in half the bands that are crying foul over copyrights... bitches!
Don't even wanna get started on the hollywood homos and their bitching about movie downloads....

[Sir Evil]

I know how you feel. Been there myself. I feel that music I have previously paid for is mine. So if I down load an mp3 to listen too they can't say I stole it because I own it on tape or record. Someone was just nice enough to make an mp3 from a record and makes it convenient for me to play the song on my computer.

There might be some things in place to make it harder but will never be stopped! Just like the old days when you borrowed a buddies records to record copies for yourself, it's too big to fully contain.

[logroller]

Even if you swing that argument, the source that you got it from may either be engaging in, or facilitating, piracy. It's justifiable to shut down that site and others like it. IF the rules were observed by all it's unlikely you would have the chance to download a song without some sort of compensation going to the creator.

Is it the creators who are really getting screwed, or the copyright owner? For every dollar lost to piracy, I'd bet 75 cents would of went to those who didn't create anything other than buzz; the internet obviously competes in that respect, and Big Music Corp doesn't like competition anymore than government does.

[Noir]

Dave Grohl on said issue...



I've always thought it odd that if a movie is played on the TV i can record it, watch it whenever i like, share it with friends etc. But to download the same movie, for the same cost (free) from the net, would make me a theif 0,o

[fj1200]

Nothing to destinguish! Most who download music generally are true enthusiasts ans will likely by the real deal if they like it, the rest that outright steal the shit don't amount remotely close to the claims of industry loss.

I hope that's true but that seems different than your argument of having to repeatedly buy the same copyright. I think that there is clearly a problem that the industry is concerned about and they should have the recourse that they have; not SOPA/PIPA though.

Upload my cd's? Thats fucking worse then downloading, thats exactly what gets most people in the shit to beging with. If I upload some music for you to download, then I am redistributing the copyright I don't have ownership to and therefor am in copyright violation. At least a download can be used to sample and discard without actually violating copyright.

I guess that's what I meant, downloading what you've bought into a different format for personal use. My apologies.

And is foghat still collecting royalties? hell yeah if another unit of that album sells today they collect. My point exactly! You get whiny bitches like the Metallica drummer who made the big stink that brought down Napster meanwhile the fucker laughs all the way to the bank, were illegal downloads really hitting the band in the wallet? yeah, not really. In fact many modern bands approve of downloading and many of them offer free downloads just so their music does get distributed to people who may not be familiar with them.

Damn, I own stock in half the bands that are crying foul over copyrights... bitches!
Don't even wanna get started on the hollywood homos and their bitching about movie downloads....

My joke fell flat. :sad:

[fj1200]

Is it the creators who are really getting screwed, or the copyright owner? For every dollar lost to piracy, I'd bet 75 cents would of went to those who didn't create anything other than buzz; the internet obviously competes in that respect, and Big Music Corp doesn't like competition anymore than government does.

I was equating the two. Their interests are shared... theoretically.

[Noir]

SOPA and PIPA dropped, win 8)

After a long week of raising the stakes it seems that the anti SOPA/PIPA activists have won the day. On Friday January 20^th, Congress dropped the bills in the wake of the largest online protest in history. An incredible 13 million people took time to fill out a petition to implore congress to oppose the bills in order to keep the internet free of censorship. You can see the astonishing numbers here.This activism, alongside the web “blackout” on Wednesday by 1,000s of websites including Wikipedia and Reddit, was unprecedented. Even the MPAA (one of the largest lobbies for the awful bills) was shocked having previously considered SOPA and PIPA a “slam dunk.” MPAA Chairman and former Senator Chris Dodd told the New York Times in a statement that “this was a whole new different game all of a sudden.”

http://tech.pnosker.com/2012/01/20/s...st-in-history/

[logroller]

I was equating the two. Their interests are shared... theoretically.

Like States' sovereignty.

[jimnyc]

I've always thought it odd that if a movie is played on the TV i can record it, watch it whenever i like, share it with friends etc. But to download the same movie, for the same cost (free) from the net, would make me a theif 0,o

You technically cannot record a movie and share it with friends, at least not here in the US. Distribution of copyrighted material is distribution. They don't care about the difference between "sharing" with a friend or selling the media. I agree that it sucks and is stupid, but you can't redistribute copyrighted material whether on the 'net or amongst friends. Hell, try buying "some" songs on Itunes - some come with the ability to burn it to media - ONE TIME. If you try to burn it a second time, won't work. Hell, you BOUGHT the media, but they still "control" what you do with it from there.

[fj1200]

^ I'm not sure what you thinks "sucks and is stupid." It's the heart of IP laws it seems to me.

[jimnyc]

^ I'm not sure what you thinks "sucks and is stupid." It's the heart of IP laws it seems to me.

Yeah, and I think applying these laws to individuals who aren't "distributing" the material for profit, sucks and is stupid.

[Gaffer]

SOPA and PIPA dropped, win 8)


http://tech.pnosker.com/2012/01/20/s...st-in-history/

Just shows them they will have to be more indirect and under the table in how they push their agenda through.

[Noir]

You technically cannot record a movie and share it with friends, at least not here in the US. Distribution of copyrighted material is distribution. They don't care about the difference between "sharing" with a friend or selling the media. I agree that it sucks and is stupid, but you can't redistribute copyrighted material whether on the 'net or amongst friends. Hell, try buying "some" songs on Itunes - some come with the ability to burn it to media - ONE TIME. If you try to burn it a second time, won't work. Hell, you BOUGHT the media, but they still "control" what you do with it from there.

Me wonders how they differentiate between gifting and distribution...

[jimnyc]

Me wonders how they differentiate between gifting and distribution...

Easy! Here in the States, if it's copyrighted, there is no "gifting", as it's not yours to give away.