Teem moms unsure how they got pregnant

**Gunny** · 01-20-2012, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Thunderknuckles

That's the problem with this country. We turned away from the good ole days of Taliban style honor killings!

Try making a comparison all you like ... it worked.

The fact that's missing is, we were taught responsibility. The left has been looking for a way out of that word ever since. The OP is a perfect example. You stick your d*ck in it, you made it. You open your legs and let that d*ck in, you're just as responsible.

The left wants to and has back-doored personal responsibility by designating an unborn human being by the name "zygote", trying to depersonalize it ever since, and having some stupid-ass judge say it's okay to kill that unborn human being so long as you can call it something else.

**Thunderknuckles** · 01-20-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Gunny

Try making a comparison all you like ... it worked.

The fact that's missing is, we were taught responsibility. The left has been looking for a way out of that word ever since. The OP is a perfect example. You stick your d*ck in it, you made it. You open your legs and let that d*ck in, you're just as responsible.

The left wants to and has back-doored personal responsibility by designating an unborn human being by the name "zygote", trying to deporsalize it ever since, and having some stupid-ass judge say it's okay to kill that unborn human being so long as you can call it something else.

Easy big guy, I was ribbing ConHog

**ConHog** · 01-20-2012, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Thunderknuckles

Easy big guy, I was ribbing ConHog

That wasn't ribbed for my pleasure.

For the real though, it isn't just teen sex, it's everything, kids aren't afraid of their parents at all anymore. And that translates into no respect.

We need some good old fashioned Bill Cosby " I brought you into this world, and I can't take you back out of it" brought back into things.

**Jess** · 01-21-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by gabosaurus

I can't say anything about having having sex at 15 because I did it. But I hope you were not OK with your stepdaughters getting pregnant while they were teens. Why is this OK, even if they knew how it happened? The idea of birth control is to prevent pregnancy.

The problems with some families is that they don't believe in birth control. Or they believe that putting their kids on birth control signals permission to start having sex.

Sorry darrin, but kids are going to have sex whether you like it or not. They just won't tell you about it. I don't approve of it. But it is going to happen.

I was not ok with them having sex that young but had no say-so in it.

My personal feeling was that getting pregnant when they were teens wasn't cool either. The older's one's mom solved that by convincing her, taking her to and paying for her abortion the first time she got pregnant. The girl was an emotional mess after that and got pregnant again within a year or 18 months, I think. She kept the second baby - who is now almost 3 years old.

The younger one texted me one night, asking how soon a preggo test would work because the condom she and her bf were using broke. She ended up not being pregnant that time and swore she'd be much more careful after that. IIRC, she was pregnant within sex months. She finished HS, went to beauty school and worked part-time while pregnant with her baby. I give her props for having the guts enough to do it all so she can provide a better life for her child.

I don't have the magic answer, just as no one else does. My sex education was growing up on a farm and a book my mom gave me when puberty started. Our church, school and family just said "don't do it." That was actually not too tough. My horse was more important than some stupid guy.

BUT you can have some screwed-up ideas about sex as an adult when raised like that.

**bullypulpit** · 01-21-2012, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by gabosaurus

I read this report this morning and was astounded. Nearly a third of pregnant teens in this wide ranging study were unsure how pregnancy occurred. Many fell for age old lines (you get pregnant the first time you have sex, or using various positions, or if they were below a certain age) or thought they could have sex and prevent pregnancy by doing various things.
The culprit, as always, is lack of sex education. Parents demand the right to tell their kids about sex and then fail to do so. Or else they teach the wrong things.
Then there are the parents who refuse to allow their kids to use birth control, believing it will "encourage promiscuity." Which is dead wrong.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...cid=mm6102a1_w

I had a case in point earlier this week. A 16 year old girl wanted to know how she could avoid telling her parents that she was pregnant. She didn't want an abortion, but she didn't want her parents to know she was pregnant. I agreed to talk with her parents. Which was tough.
Dad was beyond angry. Denied girl was pregnant until shown the positive test (she always denied she was having sex). Then blamed the school for promoting promiscuity. Then wanted the guy arrested.
I asked him if he or mom had ever talked to his kid about sex. Nope, no sex talk. It was replaced by a (forced) promise that daughter never have sex. Which last until girls come under the spell of a cute guy.

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Studies have shown that, “…the overwhelming weight of the evidence demonstrates that programs focusing on sexuality along with a discussion of the use of condoms and contraception do not increase sexual activity, as some had feared. In fact, a number of programs that encouraged both goals for sexually active youth actually delayed or reduced the frequency of sexual intercourse…” (Kirby, 2007).

But given the monumental disdain of the religious right and other right wing social conservatives in this country have for experimentally verified, evidence-based practice, the facts will make no difference in this matter. They will continue to insist on the efficacy of demonstrably failed “abstinence only” programs which comport with their own repressive, unrealistic dogma.

Reference:

Kirby, D. (2007). Abstinence, Sex, and STD/HIV Education Programs for Teens: Their Impact on Sexual Behavior, Pregnancy, and Sexually, Transmitted Disease. Annual Review of Sex Research, 18, 143-177.

Originally Posted by Gunny

Try making a comparison all you like ... it worked.

The fact that's missing is, we were taught responsibility. The left has been looking for a way out of that word ever since. The OP is a perfect example. You stick your d*ck in it, you made it. You open your legs and let that d*ck in, you're just as responsible.

The left wants to and has back-doored personal responsibility by designating an unborn human being by the name "zygote", trying to depersonalize it ever since, and having some stupid-ass judge say it's okay to kill that unborn human being so long as you can call it something else.

I'm down with the first paragraph. Your second is just irrational dogma for another thread.

**MtnBiker** · 01-21-2012, 04:46 PM

There is a lacking fact in sexual education that the left cringes at everytime it is mentioned. Abstinence works every time it is used.

**ConHog** · 01-21-2012, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by MtnBiker

There is a lacking fact in sexual education that the left cringes at everytime it is mentioned. Abstinence works every time it is used.

This is true, but must be tempered with some reality.

IE we PREFER you be abstinent, but IF you are going to engage in such activity, THIS is the steps you take to protect yourselves.

**MtnBiker** · 01-21-2012, 05:25 PM

Sure, I did not mention anything about one method being exclusive in respect to education.

**ConHog** · 01-21-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by MtnBiker

Sure, I did not mention anything about one method being exclusive in respect to education.

I was just adding on to what you said moreso than speaking to what you said.

BUT does speak to the problem , as usual most people are a one or the other group, instead of taking the sensible approach.

PS I hate that we have to waste valuable time at school teaching sex ed, but most parents just don't want to deal with it.

**bullypulpit** · 01-21-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by MtnBiker

There is a lacking fact in sexual education that the left cringes at everytime it is mentioned. Abstinence works every time it is used.

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References:

Santelli J, Ott M, Lyon M, Rogers J, Summers D, Schliefer R. (2005). Abstinence and abstinence-only education: A review of U.S. policies and programs. Journal of Adolescent Health, 72-81.
Stanger-Hall K, Hall D. (2011, October 14). Abstinence-Only Education and Teen Pregnancy Rates: Why We Need Comprehensive Sex Education in the U.S. Retrieved from PLoS one: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0024658

**DragonStryk72** · 01-21-2012, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by gabosaurus

I read this report this morning and was astounded. Nearly a third of pregnant teens in this wide ranging study were unsure how pregnancy occurred. Many fell for age old lines (you get pregnant the first time you have sex, or using various positions, or if they were below a certain age) or thought they could have sex and prevent pregnancy by doing various things.
The culprit, as always, is lack of sex education. Parents demand the right to tell their kids about sex and then fail to do so. Or else they teach the wrong things.
Then there are the parents who refuse to allow their kids to use birth control, believing it will "encourage promiscuity." Which is dead wrong.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...cid=mm6102a1_w

I had a case in point earlier this week. A 16 year old girl wanted to know how she could avoid telling her parents that she was pregnant. She didn't want an abortion, but she didn't want her parents to know she was pregnant. I agreed to talk with her parents. Which was tough.
Dad was beyond angry. Denied girl was pregnant until shown the positive test (she always denied she was having sex). Then blamed the school for promoting promiscuity. Then wanted the guy arrested.
I asked him if he or mom had ever talked to his kid about sex. Nope, no sex talk. It was replaced by a (forced) promise that daughter never have sex. Which last until girls come under the spell of a cute guy.

That's not actually the problem. Sex Ed is a part of pretty much all high school curriculum these days. The problem is the internet. People see stuff on the internet that is purported as fact, and it's complete bullshit, but it looks true, and people stop thinking. Same with sex in general, and it's not limited to cute guys. There's no "spell", gabs, any more than girls put guys under a spell.

No amount of education is going to reach everyone. How many shows show that teens can get pregnant? Hell, there's one show literally called Teen Moms, another called The Secret Life of the American Teen.

**Thunderknuckles** · 01-21-2012, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by bullypulpit

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References:

Santelli J, Ott M, Lyon M, Rogers J, Summers D, Schliefer R. (2005). Abstinence and abstinence-only education: A review of U.S. policies and programs. Journal of Adolescent Health, 72-81.
Stanger-Hall K, Hall D. (2011, October 14). Abstinence-Only Education and Teen Pregnancy Rates: Why We Need Comprehensive Sex Education in the U.S. Retrieved from PLoS one: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0024658

In other words, have sex, you may contract an STD or may become pregnant. Protection may lower the risk. Abstinence is the only 100% effective way to avoid either. The choice is yours.

Class dismissed.

Once again, why do we have "sex education"?

**MtnBiker** · 01-21-2012, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by bullypulpit

The fact that you and your fellow travelers fail to mention is that where “abstinence only” education was the only choice presented to adolescents does nothing to change their behavior regarding sexual activity.

First off, you can site any reference or study you want. The simple truth and fact is abstinence works every time it is used.

Second, I did not mention "abstinence only". I will even quote myself so you can pratice your reading comprehension skills;

Originally Posted by MtnBiker

Sure, I did not mention anything about one method being exclusive in respect to education.

I did mention that the left cringes at the mention of abstinence, hmmmm.

**ConHog** · 01-21-2012, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by MtnBiker

First off, you can site any reference or study you want. The simple truth and fact is abstinence works every time it is used.

Second, I did not mention "abstinence only". I will even quote myself so you can pratice your reading comprehension skills;

I did mention that the left cringes at the mention of abstinence, hmmmm.

Simple. Because they don't really care what is best. What they care about is shutting up anyone who thinks differently than them.

**bullypulpit** · 01-22-2012, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by MtnBiker

First off, you can site any reference or study you want. The simple truth and fact is abstinence works every time it is used.

Second, I did not mention "abstinence only". I will even quote myself so you can pratice your reading comprehension skills;

I did mention that the left cringes at the mention of abstinence, hmmmm.

You didn't need to, it was implicit. Secondly, it does have a positive impact impact when coupled with fact based and age appropriate education on sex and sexuality. No cringing here...Just tired of watching folks on the right ignore evidence-based practice in favor of dogma.

Originally Posted by ConHog

Simple. Because they don't really care what is best. What they care about is shutting up anyone who thinks differently than them.

"What is best" must be rooted in best practice and evidence-based practice as demonstrated by research if it is to have any real meaning. If you consider beng presented with the facts on a given issue as being told to shut up, you might consider getting professional help for your persecution complex.

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