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    Default McDonald’s faces scrutiny over Brazil pay

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d129943e-8...#axzz1rk0zhM3H

    I asked the manager in a Rio de Janeiro McDonalds about why they charge the same price for a number one as in the US, but pay the help a small fraction. He replied that for every Real in compensation Brasilia charges R$1,30 in taxes and fees. In other words every R$100 in wages costs the company R$230. Add to that the mandatory Christmas bonus of a month's pay and a month's paid vacation.

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    If folks don't like the pay, they will find other work. Non-issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    If folks don't like the pay, they will find other work. Non-issue.
    Responses like yours is exactly what wins elections for the ruling Socialist Workers Party (PT) and the Communist Party of Brasil (PC do B) [part of the ruling coalition]. Wages/Salaries in Brazil are 1/3 or less than a similar job in the US ACROSS PROFESSIONS. The money being spent to employ someone is close in the US versus Brazil, however in Brazil, most of payroll gets sent to the government.

    Here is what wins elections in Brazil: This guy's winning election slogan was "Vote for the idiot: ME"


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    Elections are based on reactions, not votes?

    Weird.

    employees accepting low wages is exactly why employers keep offering low wages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    employees accepting low wages is exactly why employers keep offering low wages.
    This is exactly the cause of illegal immigration. In Mexico, wages are kept low by companies working in collusion. Which is why 10 percent of the population make 90 percent of the income. And why police and other government officials are easily bribed by drug cartels.
    If every employer offers 25 cents an hour, workers have pretty much no choice. And we are often talking 12 hour days, not our 40 hour week. And under dangerous work conditions. This is not even mentioning the kickbacks many workplaces and workers have to pay to police and drug cartels.
    If you have kids, your choice is usually this: Do I work for low wages here, or do I cross the border at a risk, but with the reward of earning 10 to 50 times more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    This is exactly the cause of illegal immigration. In Mexico, wages are kept low by companies working in collusion. Which is why 10 percent of the population make 90 percent of the income. And why police and other government officials are easily bribed by drug cartels.
    If every employer offers 25 cents an hour, workers have pretty much no choice. And we are often talking 12 hour days, not our 40 hour week. And under dangerous work conditions. This is not even mentioning the kickbacks many workplaces and workers have to pay to police and drug cartels.
    If you have kids, your choice is usually this: Do I work for low wages here, or do I cross the border at a risk, but with the reward of earning 10 to 50 times more?
    In much of Latin America the wages are low because THE GOVERNMENT takes the money and the employee never sees it. The the most extreme case is Cuba where the state charges companies absurd rates for services provided by "the people" while paying $20-$30 per month to the people doing the labor. It's SOCIALISM stealing payroll before the employee sees it, NOT companies paying starvation wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    This is exactly the cause of illegal immigration. In Mexico, wages are kept low by companies working in collusion.
    If you had said "in collusion with government" you might be correct. The government clearly doesn't care about its' citizens otherwise it would provide an environment where real economic growth and advancement for its people could occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    If folks don't like the pay, they will find other work. Non-issue.
    Just a tad flippant =/

    Reminds me of an African production plant for the Giant Tesco (simalar to your WalMart). The workers turn up one day to be told that they had all been fired as a new company had bought the plant (though Ofcourse, the new company was owned by tesco too) the 'good' news for the now unemployed was that the 'new' company was willing to hire all of the old employees with immediate effect, for the small price of a 40% cut in their hourly wage. And if they didn't like it, they could go find another job...

    Easy to be flippant when it isn't you and your loved ones lives depending on a wage that isn't good enough, but atleast means you get something.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Not flippant. I'm 'FREE'. When the gov't steps in, costs rise, efficiencies drop. When the feds REQUIRE a wage scale, businesses suffer.

    The problem is the people willing to sell their work for a low wage. Its as if you believe businesses OWE people a job. Then again, you've been raised in a very restricted, socialist society. Its like you've fallen in love with your captors. I get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Not flippant. I'm 'FREE'. When the gov't steps in, costs rise, efficiencies drop. When the feds REQUIRE a wage scale, businesses suffer.

    The problem is the people willing to sell their work for a low wage. Its as if you believe businesses OWE people a job. Then again, you've been raised in a very restricted, socialist society. Its like you've fallen in love with your captors. I get it.

    You may be right that it's a non-issue if you properly identify the issue. It's not "stingy" McDonald's or other companies. It's evidence that the Brazilian people are willing to sacrifice for social justice to further the goals of the Socialist Worker's Party and Communist Party of Brazil.

    Brazilians Sacrificing for Social Justice:

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    Why should we care what a burger flipper in Brazil earns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    If folks don't like the pay, they will find other work. Non-issue.
    Issue because every job is affected by the same tax rules and with such onerous tax rules it will limit any other real opportunity they may have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d129943e-8...#axzz1rk0zhM3H

    I asked the manager in a Rio de Janeiro McDonalds about why they charge the same price for a number one as in the US, but pay the help a small fraction. He replied that for every Real in compensation Brasilia charges R$1,30 in taxes and fees. In other words every R$100 in wages costs the company R$230. Add to that the mandatory Christmas bonus of a month's pay and a month's paid vacation.
    I'm unable to pull more of the article up.

    From the little you posted it looks like the employee is getting quite a bit more than a US employee would (a month's Christmas bonus and a Months vacation) so I could understand why the company offers a lower wage in exchange for better employee perks.

    I don't see a problem with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d129943e-8...#axzz1rk0zhM3H

    I asked the manager in a Rio de Janeiro McDonalds about why they charge the same price for a number one as in the US, but pay the help a small fraction. He replied that for every Real in compensation Brasilia charges R$1,30 in taxes and fees. In other words every R$100 in wages costs the company R$230. Add to that the mandatory Christmas bonus of a month's pay and a month's paid vacation.
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