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    Default McDonald’s faces scrutiny over Brazil pay

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d129943e-8...#axzz1rk0zhM3H

    I asked the manager in a Rio de Janeiro McDonalds about why they charge the same price for a number one as in the US, but pay the help a small fraction. He replied that for every Real in compensation Brasilia charges R$1,30 in taxes and fees. In other words every R$100 in wages costs the company R$230. Add to that the mandatory Christmas bonus of a month's pay and a month's paid vacation.

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    If folks don't like the pay, they will find other work. Non-issue.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    If folks don't like the pay, they will find other work. Non-issue.
    Responses like yours is exactly what wins elections for the ruling Socialist Workers Party (PT) and the Communist Party of Brasil (PC do B) [part of the ruling coalition]. Wages/Salaries in Brazil are 1/3 or less than a similar job in the US ACROSS PROFESSIONS. The money being spent to employ someone is close in the US versus Brazil, however in Brazil, most of payroll gets sent to the government.

    Here is what wins elections in Brazil: This guy's winning election slogan was "Vote for the idiot: ME"


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    Elections are based on reactions, not votes?

    Weird.

    employees accepting low wages is exactly why employers keep offering low wages.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    If folks don't like the pay, they will find other work. Non-issue.
    Just a tad flippant =/

    Reminds me of an African production plant for the Giant Tesco (simalar to your WalMart). The workers turn up one day to be told that they had all been fired as a new company had bought the plant (though Ofcourse, the new company was owned by tesco too) the 'good' news for the now unemployed was that the 'new' company was willing to hire all of the old employees with immediate effect, for the small price of a 40% cut in their hourly wage. And if they didn't like it, they could go find another job...

    Easy to be flippant when it isn't you and your loved ones lives depending on a wage that isn't good enough, but atleast means you get something.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Not flippant. I'm 'FREE'. When the gov't steps in, costs rise, efficiencies drop. When the feds REQUIRE a wage scale, businesses suffer.

    The problem is the people willing to sell their work for a low wage. Its as if you believe businesses OWE people a job. Then again, you've been raised in a very restricted, socialist society. Its like you've fallen in love with your captors. I get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    If folks don't like the pay, they will find other work. Non-issue.
    Issue because every job is affected by the same tax rules and with such onerous tax rules it will limit any other real opportunity they may have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d129943e-8...#axzz1rk0zhM3H

    I asked the manager in a Rio de Janeiro McDonalds about why they charge the same price for a number one as in the US, but pay the help a small fraction. He replied that for every Real in compensation Brasilia charges R$1,30 in taxes and fees. In other words every R$100 in wages costs the company R$230. Add to that the mandatory Christmas bonus of a month's pay and a month's paid vacation.
    I'm unable to pull more of the article up.

    From the little you posted it looks like the employee is getting quite a bit more than a US employee would (a month's Christmas bonus and a Months vacation) so I could understand why the company offers a lower wage in exchange for better employee perks.

    I don't see a problem with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Not flippant. I'm 'FREE'. When the gov't steps in, costs rise, efficiencies drop. When the feds REQUIRE a wage scale, businesses suffer.

    The problem is the people willing to sell their work for a low wage. Its as if you believe businesses OWE people a job. Then again, you've been raised in a very restricted, socialist society. Its like you've fallen in love with your captors. I get it.

    You may be right that it's a non-issue if you properly identify the issue. It's not "stingy" McDonald's or other companies. It's evidence that the Brazilian people are willing to sacrifice for social justice to further the goals of the Socialist Worker's Party and Communist Party of Brazil.

    Brazilians Sacrificing for Social Justice:

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    Why should we care what a burger flipper in Brazil earns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    Why should we care what a burger flipper in Brazil earns?
    To properly assign blame when socialists complain how little McDonald's or other companies pay which in some places are comparable to US inmate wages. Also, you can take out a work visa in Brazil if you want to rehearse for Obama's second term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    To properly assign blame when socialists complain how little McDonald's or other companies pay.

    What McDonalds pays here in the US has nothing to do with what they pay in Brazil. Therefor I don't care what they pay in Brazil.

    As for who to "blame" for low wages. Blame the workers for being mostly uneducated buffoons who quite simply don't deserve to be paid more. I certainly don't want to pay $12.99 for my number 3 because some idiot who didn't bother to graduate high school wants to earn more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    What McDonalds pays here in the US has nothing to do with what they pay in Brazil. Therefor I don't care what they pay in Brazil.

    As for who to "blame" for low wages. Blame the workers for being mostly uneducated buffoons who quite simply don't deserve to be paid more. I certainly don't want to pay $12.99 for my number 3 because some idiot who didn't bother to graduate high school wants to earn more money.
    You may not be able to buy a number three at all when you don't have answers to respond to occupiers demanding that no building permits be issued to McDonald's for being "socially irresponsible". Try finding a Walmart in the five boroughs of NYC if you want to see the template.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d129943e-8...#axzz1rk0zhM3H

    I asked the manager in a Rio de Janeiro McDonalds about why they charge the same price for a number one as in the US, but pay the help a small fraction. He replied that for every Real in compensation Brasilia charges R$1,30 in taxes and fees. In other words every R$100 in wages costs the company R$230. Add to that the mandatory Christmas bonus of a month's pay and a month's paid vacation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    What McDonalds pays here in the US has nothing to do with what they pay in Brazil. Therefor I don't care what they pay in Brazil.

    As for who to "blame" for low wages. Blame the workers for being mostly uneducated buffoons who quite simply don't deserve to be paid more. I certainly don't want to pay $12.99 for my number 3 because some idiot who didn't bother to graduate high school wants to earn more money.
    Hey, CH, I've flipped burgers, I was both a high school graduate, and I'm former Navy. So, a little less condescension please?

    As to why we should pay attention to Brazil, it's because cost of living is equivalent to the US cost of living. It would actually be far lower, and allow citizens to be able to own far better property, if their government weren't so insanely top heavy. This is the direction that CA could easily head in due to the way they run their government, so yeah, it has some bearing, as an example.
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