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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    You may not be able to buy a number three at all when you don't have answers to respond to occupiers demanding that no building permits be issued to McDonald's for being "socially irresponsible". Try finding a Walmart in the five boroughs of NYC if you want to see the template.
    'occupiers' ? You mean the residents of the boroughs. I think they should be able to charter their own course. If that's no McDs or Walmarts or Marijuana dispensaries or liquor stores-- 'tis their right to charter their own. That's far different than a nationalized system; as its far easier to travel out of the city than abroad of country. Nonetheless, you'll find a flourishing black market in the tri-border area of Brazil. Free markets find a way.
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    I'm retired burger flipper from Roy Rogers, circa 1983 or so. And I was good at it! I would stick a small piece of wood in the burgers for my friends. When no one was looking I learned to eat an entire cheeseburger in 2 bites so that I didn't get caught stealing. Never spit on any food, that's disgusting to think that other flippers do that and gave us a bad name, but I did kind of purposely drop a burger or 2 on the ground and then accidentally kick it before placing it back on the grill.

    Anyway, IMO, McDonald's is going to pay whatever the shittiest wage is for the area they open their store. You're lucky to get a nickel over minimum if you start at one here in NY. I'm confident it ain't much different elsewhere, but wages might increase with time or duties.

    As for Brazil, what they pay employees and what a burger cost have nothing to do with one another, I feel that's in there for effect. If they can get some idiot to pay $1000 for a burger, and they pay the employee $10hr, who cares? So as for me, I don't give a crap what they charge for their food, customers will decide if they want to eat there or not. The wages on the other hand... Do they have a minimum wage law there? And if so, are they paying that? And if not, are they paying what similar jobs would pay in that area?
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    Do we know what the locally owned flop&puke burger joint in Rio de Janeiro pays it's employees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Do we know what the locally owned flop&puke burger joint in Rio de Janeiro pays it's employees?
    From what I understand about the crime rate over there, probably the ability to continue breathing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Do we know what the locally owned flop&puke burger joint in Rio de Janeiro pays it's employees?
    Funny you should mention that: I indeed asked that question and the response was "Nao chega dois salarios" which means less than double the minimum wage.

    To illustrate this problem cuts across all professions, here are the BEST paying professions by monthly salaries:
    http://www.hiperativo.com/carreiras-...ios-do-brasil/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I'm retired burger flipper from Roy Rogers, circa 1983 or so. And I was good at it! I would stick a small piece of wood in the burgers for my friends. When no one was looking I learned to eat an entire cheeseburger in 2 bites so that I didn't get caught stealing. Never spit on any food, that's disgusting to think that other flippers do that and gave us a bad name, but I did kind of purposely drop a burger or 2 on the ground and then accidentally kick it before placing it back on the grill.

    Anyway, IMO, McDonald's is going to pay whatever the shittiest wage is for the area they open their store. You're lucky to get a nickel over minimum if you start at one here in NY. I'm confident it ain't much different elsewhere, but wages might increase with time or duties.

    As for Brazil, what they pay employees and what a burger cost have nothing to do with one another, I feel that's in there for effect. If they can get some idiot to pay $1000 for a burger, and they pay the employee $10hr, who cares? So as for me, I don't give a crap what they charge for their food, customers will decide if they want to eat there or not. The wages on the other hand... Do they have a minimum wage law there? And if so, are they paying that? And if not, are they paying what similar jobs would pay in that area?
    Actually they do 8.50~9.00/hr up here, starting, and in vermont it was 9.00/hr, so about $1.25-$1.75 over minimum. Believe it or not, they're not that bad as far as pay goes, mainly because the job sucks a lot. Even with that, there's high turnover here. Upswing: Free/reduced price meals.

    The bitching about Mcdonald's pay is pretty reminiscent to me of the "Wal-Mart" pay sucks, even though the average pay there is $10/hr or more, and you get more hours than you would at pretty much any other store in the area, but hey, why let facts get in the way of an argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 View Post
    Hey, CH, I've flipped burgers, I was both a high school graduate, and I'm former Navy. So, a little less condescension please?

    As to why we should pay attention to Brazil, it's because cost of living is equivalent to the US cost of living. It would actually be far lower, and allow citizens to be able to own far better property, if their government weren't so insanely top heavy. This is the direction that CA could easily head in due to the way they run their government, so yeah, it has some bearing, as an example.
    I have no issue with burger flippers. just saying that those who expect that to be a high paying profession aren't being realistic.

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    I thought the op was about the high taxes in Brasilia causing the high prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    employees accepting low wages is exactly why employers keep offering low wages.
    This is exactly the cause of illegal immigration. In Mexico, wages are kept low by companies working in collusion. Which is why 10 percent of the population make 90 percent of the income. And why police and other government officials are easily bribed by drug cartels.
    If every employer offers 25 cents an hour, workers have pretty much no choice. And we are often talking 12 hour days, not our 40 hour week. And under dangerous work conditions. This is not even mentioning the kickbacks many workplaces and workers have to pay to police and drug cartels.
    If you have kids, your choice is usually this: Do I work for low wages here, or do I cross the border at a risk, but with the reward of earning 10 to 50 times more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    This is exactly the cause of illegal immigration. In Mexico, wages are kept low by companies working in collusion. Which is why 10 percent of the population make 90 percent of the income. And why police and other government officials are easily bribed by drug cartels.
    If every employer offers 25 cents an hour, workers have pretty much no choice. And we are often talking 12 hour days, not our 40 hour week. And under dangerous work conditions. This is not even mentioning the kickbacks many workplaces and workers have to pay to police and drug cartels.
    If you have kids, your choice is usually this: Do I work for low wages here, or do I cross the border at a risk, but with the reward of earning 10 to 50 times more?
    In much of Latin America the wages are low because THE GOVERNMENT takes the money and the employee never sees it. The the most extreme case is Cuba where the state charges companies absurd rates for services provided by "the people" while paying $20-$30 per month to the people doing the labor. It's SOCIALISM stealing payroll before the employee sees it, NOT companies paying starvation wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    This is exactly the cause of illegal immigration. In Mexico, wages are kept low by companies working in collusion.
    If you had said "in collusion with government" you might be correct. The government clearly doesn't care about its' citizens otherwise it would provide an environment where real economic growth and advancement for its people could occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    If you had said "in collusion with government" you might be correct. The government clearly doesn't care about its' citizens otherwise it would provide an environment where real economic growth and advancement for its people could occur.
    I assume we all understood that the government has to be in on the collusion. I mean here in this country no number of companies could get together and decide to ignore the federal minimum wage, for example. So of course the Mexican government could do the same but don't because they are in on the jig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    I assume we all understood that the government has to be in on the collusion. I mean here in this country no number of companies could get together and decide to ignore the federal minimum wage, for example. So of course the Mexican government could do the same but don't because they are in on the jig.
    There is no requirement to collude with the government, they can easily collude with each other while the incompetence and/or ineffectiveness of governing officials goes on unabated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    There is no requirement to collude with the government, they can easily collude with each other while the incompetence and/or ineffectiveness of governing officials goes on unabated.
    There certainly is a requirement to "collude" with government. In Brazil the payroll fees of 130% of wages are mandatory. In Cuba direct employment agreements are illegal under penalty of seizure of your business. The Castro brothers want to make sure individuals don't receive money that might be spent in a socially irresponsible manner.

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    Twas speaking of Mexico.
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