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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Yes, correct. Doesn't change the fact that you were saying the guy should have been charged with a hate crime.
    You're off topic. Go discuss hate crime on the other forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    You're off topic. Go discuss hate crime on the other forum.
    Now THAT would be for the other board members to decide, not you nor I.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Now THAT would be for the other board members to decide, not you nor I.

    Honestly, why are you talking to me at all? You don't like me and you have no respect for my views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    I called him an ugly man because of the way he was acting. What I needed to do in the situation was find out what it was I needed and he needed. Calling him ugly didn't help anything.
    He "needed" your dog not to crap there. Seems pretty simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    He "needed" your dog not to crap there. Seems pretty simple.

    No, that wasn't it at all. The rageaholic wasn't the landowner. I've lived across the street from the landowner for five years and she's never objected to any of us neighbors curbing our dogs in the periphery of our properties.

    If she had objected, I would have picked up the poop.

    This is way out in the country and NOBODY picks up poop. There are wild animals pooping everywhere, for one thing. The actual property owner walks her dog off leash and her dog poops whereever it chooses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    No, that wasn't it at all. The rageaholic wasn't the landowner.
    Doesn't matter. It may have been irrational but it's what he needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Doesn't matter. It may have been irrational but it's what he needed.
    He probably needed respect, he may have needed power. Needs aren't about what somebody else SHOULD or shouldn't be doing. Unfortunately, the way he went about it was ineffective in getting his needs met. We asked him who is was and he wouldn't tell us. He asked us who we were and we told him and pointed to where we live.

    Had he calmly introduced himself, told us where he lived and what he wanted it would have been far less costly to him and to us.

    The guy is the landowners disabled son who is living in a fifth wheel on her property illegally. He's an alcoholic.

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    For fuck's sake.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    For fuck's sake.

    If you don't like the view, ignore me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Needs aren't about what somebody else SHOULD or shouldn't be doing.
    The only "need" of his you could control was where your dog crapped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    The only "need" of his you could control was where your dog crapped.
    First of all, it's not about "controlling" someone else's need. It's about meeting the other person empathically, and NOT seeing him as an enemy, but a human being with needs.

    It's all after the fact now, and the dog has died, there is no reason for this man to hate us anymore, yet he still does.

    I'm excited by and interested in NVC program that transforms anger into empathic compassion for ourselves and others.

    Here is an excellent article on it.

    http://www.naturalchild.org/marshall...ten_steps.html

    The first step in working with anger is to recognize that the stimulus or trigger is not the CAUSE of anger. The cause of anger is the response or reaction to an external or internal trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    If you don't like the view, ignore me.
    You are just SO FULL of shit. You exhibit signs of confusion, anger, and attention-getting.


    A dog walked past me today - how nice, eh?

    - Yes, WindSong, its nice to see dogs.

    Did I mention he bit me?

    - No way! You okay

    Doctor refused to treat me

    - weird

    Dog also was carrying a camel and a leather-bound book of recipes

    - uh....

    Stop hating and name calling! I can't STAND you, you twit!

    - oh my!

    etc...ad nauseam.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    You are just SO FULL of shit. You exhibit signs of confusion, anger, and attention-getting.


    A dog walked past me today - how nice, eh?

    - Yes, WindSong, its nice to see dogs.

    Did I mention he bit me?

    - No way! You okay

    Doctor refused to treat me

    - weird

    Dog also was carrying a camel and a leather-bound book of recipes

    - uh....

    Stop hating and name calling! I can't STAND you, you twit!

    - oh my!

    etc...ad nauseam.
    OK, let's see if I can figure out the needs you're trying to meet by lashing out at me with insults. Offering a diagnosis of someone is a way to disconnect with feelings and needs.

    I'm going to try empathic communication with you. I will have to guess what you feel and what your needs are.

    I'm guessing you're annoyed and frustrated by my posts. There may be something you think is unfair to you about my position. You may need to feel respected by me.

    You don't like it when I tell stories from my own life experience. I will stop doing that. No more stories from my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Are you asking me or telling me what I'd love? I said it doesn't work for me to use violence against violence.
    Sometimes violence is necessary Sky.

    Let me tell you a story about a drug dealer in Arkansas who bought one of his customer's 15 year old step daughter for $500 worth the meth. The dude threatened to kill her if we tried to take her away from him. Violence on our part saved her life. Would you have preferred we asked "pretty please give her back?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    Sometimes violence is necessary Sky.

    Let me tell you a story about a drug dealer in Arkansas who bought one of his customer's 15 year old step daughter for $500 worth the meth. The dude threatened to kill her if we tried to take her away from him. Violence on our part saved her life. Would you have preferred we asked "pretty please give her back?"
    Violence isn't an option for me.

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