Starbucks and Guns

[Wind Song]

WIndy, I am highly in favor of stringent standards on who can carry a handgun in public; but to just lump everyone together and call them yahoos if they carry a gun is stupid. Would you like us to lump you in with the weirdos who parade through the streets half naked screaming that they are here they are queer and we should get used to it?

Every group has it's nuts. But by and large most gun owners 1. don't even carry on a regular basis anyway 2. are responsible folks.

The idiot who walks into a starbucks and starts shooting up the place in all likelihood is just an idiot who if not for a gun would have found some other way to be an idiot.

I think some places should be gun free. Gun owners want to walk into any place on earth wearing their guns. Consider what a posse of armed customers in Starbucks communicates to young people?

[ConHog]

Places from Georgia to Vermont don't restrict guns in public. It doesn't appear to be a problem in practice. However you raise an interesting point. Regarding idiots, should disorderly conduct laws be more vigorously enforced? The same can be said about those who parade through the street. If they don't tie up traffic, who cares? Ignore them and they will go away.

I think there are a LOT of laws which should be more vigorously enforced; and I think the Courts have went too far in defending the mythical proportions of the first amendment. I think we can all agree that the founding fathers never intended for running through the street naked to be protected as free speech; just as an example.

Yes, same thing with the second. I don't believe the founding fathers ever meant the second to mean you could carry a bazooka through town if you wanted, again just as an example.

I think some places should be gun free. Gun owners want to walk into any place on earth wearing their guns. Consider what a posse of armed customers in Starbucks communicates to young people?

SOME places are gun free.

Airports, schools,churches, government facilities.............. etc etc. Your OWN home if you so choose.


Oh, and do you REALLY want to know what seeing a group of responsible gun owners does to young people? Why it trains them to be responsible gun owners.

SO I ask again, why are you pretending like everyone who is in favor of guns is some crazy idiot who is likely to shoot the place up?

How would you like it if Jim came into this thread and said " I don't think kids should be exposed to Dorothy b/c she's a lesbian and we all know lesbians are ALL sex crazed , drug using, STD ridden dirt bags?"

[fj1200]

I think some places should be gun free.

Declare your property to be gun free then.

Gun owners want to walk into any place on earth wearing their guns.

Doesn't mean that they have that right.

Consider what a posse of armed customers in Starbucks communicates to young people?

Starbucks values liberty, the second amendment, and the rule of law? Hyperbole ignored of course.

[darin]

I dream of a society where Americans come to truly respect one another and put their guns away. Forever. May American culture mature and may we as a people grow out of our gun fixation.

In the meantime, please stay away from me with your pistolas, boys.

Americans? It's not an American Problem...it's a HUMAN NATURE Problem. Humans will ALWAYS choose violence to dominate others; Guns gives us a fighting chance against Evil.

I think some places should be gun free.

Do you believe those will ill-intent - criminals - would follow gun-free rules?

Gun owners want to walk into any place on earth wearing their guns. Consider what a posse of armed customers in Starbucks communicates to young people?

Lots of things: The importance of being prepared, number one. They MIGHT be able to communicate proper shooting stances, and help with trigger control, too!

My Daughter loves guns. Has since she was 10, pictured here:

[Wind Song]

SOME places are gun free.

Airports, schools,churches, government facilities.............. etc etc. Your OWN home if you so choose.

Excuse me, but I see no reason for citizens to wear their guns to Starbucks except for making some kind of political statement. It's absurd.

Here's where we differ. You think guns make you safer, I feel guns make us less safe. We both want to feel safe in our communities.

I live in a rural community. Lot's of people own guns and I don't worry it about it that much. I would if I had to encounter people with guns everywhere I go to shop or have a cup of coffee.

Here are two real life experiences for me in this county. One of my neighbors had his pool table outside all year round. He and his buddies would gather to shoot pool and get drunk. One time they decided to shoot their guns off. They shot in the direction of my property when I was sitting under a tree.

Another guy had a fist fight with this neighbor (who got the better of him) so he got his gun and drove by my neighbors house shooting up his house and car. The guy who did the shooting was a county commissioner.

[tailfins]

Excuse me, but I see no reason for citizens to wear their guns to Starbucks except for making some kind of political statement. It's absurd.

If making a political statement makes them happy, why do you want to rain on their parade? If I owned a Starbucks and 1,000 people who would not otherwise enter my store and buy something want to walk in, bring a gun and buy a cup of $4 coffee I want to know if they will buy two cups if I let them bring two guns.

[ConHog]

Excuse me, but I see no reason for citizens to wear their guns to Starbucks except for making some kind of political statement. It's absurd.

Here's where we differ. You think guns make you safer, I feel guns make us less safe. We both want to feel safe in our communities.

No Sky. I've already said I think most of those who are all "let us carry our guns" are stupid and are only arguing for the sake of arguing. Most of them probably would never carry again if the laws were changed to where they could.

Same as can be said for your own movement. Most of the queers who are out prancing around in the streets screaming about being queer, are idiots looking for attention that just happen to be gay. All groups have such people, but that doesn't mean they represent the entire group. WHY do you keep IGNORING that fact?

As for seeing a reason for carrying guns. We don't HAVE to have a reason. That's the beauty of freedom, we don't have to explain it, it just is. Have you noticed for example that I ALWAYS argue that YOU don't have to explain to anyone why you're gay? It is irrelevant, you have the right to be gay whether you were born that way OR you choose to be that way. I don't care which it is. All I care about is this is America god dammit and if you aren't hurting someone else with your activities you by God have a right to do them.

You're basically arguing that all gun owners who carry in public are hurting someone else and that is just as stupid as when someone else argues that all gays are hurting someone else just by being gay.

[Wind Song]

If making a political statement makes them happy, why do you want to rain on their parade?

If that's all they wanted to do, I wouldn't care. These shmoes want to go everywhere armed, and so far, my experience with neighbors who own guns is that they shoot them when they're pissed off.

No Sky. I've already said I think most of those who are all "let us carry our guns" are stupid and are only arguing for the sake of arguing. Most of them probably would never carry again if the laws were changed to where they could.

Same as can be said for your own movement. Most of the queers who are out prancing around in the streets screaming about being queer, are idiots looking for attention that just happen to be gay. All groups have such people, but that doesn't mean they represent the entire group. WHY do you keep IGNORING that fact?

As for seeing a reason for carrying guns. We don't HAVE to have a reason. That's the beauty of freedom, we don't have to explain it, it just is. Have you noticed for example that I ALWAYS argue that YOU don't have to explain to anyone why you're gay? It is irrelevant, you have the right to be gay whether you were born that way OR you choose to be that way. I don't care which it is. All I care about is this is America god dammit and if you aren't hurting someone else with your activities you by God have a right to do them.

You're basically arguing that all gun owners who carry in public are hurting someone else and that is just as stupid as when someone else argues that all gays are hurting someone else just by being gay.

Gays have nothing to do with this topic. I don't like it that everyone here is continually throwing gay topics at me that are irrelevant to the thread.

When you get back on topic, I will answer your posts.

I have very good reasons for not liking guns. I haven't seen sensible people with them, but I have seen plenty of bozos.

[ConHog]

Excuse me, but I see no reason for citizens to wear their guns to Starbucks except for making some kind of political statement. It's absurd.

Here's where we differ. You think guns make you safer, I feel guns make us less safe. We both want to feel safe in our communities.

I live in a rural community. Lot's of people own guns and I don't worry it about it that much. I would if I had to encounter people with guns everywhere I go to shop or have a cup of coffee.

Here are two real life experiences for me in this county. One of my neighbors had his pool table outside all year round. He and his buddies would gather to shoot pool and get drunk. One time they decided to shoot their guns off. They shot in the direction of my property when I was sitting under a tree.

Another guy had a fist fight with this neighbor (who got the better of him) so he got his gun and drove by my neighbors house shooting up his house and car. The guy who did the shooting was a county commissioner.

You know, given the stories you tell you either live in a very shitty area or are a very shitty neighbor who everyone hates. I mean seriously.

Gays have nothing to do with this topic. I don't like it that everyone here is continually throwing gay topics at me that are irrelevant to the thread.

When you get back on topic, I will answer your posts.

Gay has EVERYTHING to do with the topic Dorothy because either you are for everyone's freedoms or you can shut up when your own are abridged.

[tailfins]

If that's all they wanted to do, I wouldn't care. These shmoes want to go everywhere armed, and so far, my experience with neighbors who own guns is that they shoot them when they're pissed off.

If they do that you should be grateful. First of all, it guarantees it won't happen again. Secondly, the amount they pay in probation fees for aggravated assault is enough to send a kid to school for an entire year.

[Wind Song]

You know, given the stories you tell you either live in a very shitty area or are a very shitty neighbor who everyone hates. I mean seriously.

I've had a couple of bad experiences in this county in the last five years.

If they do that you should be grateful. First of all, it guarantees it won't happen again. Secondly, the amount they pay in probation fees for aggravated assault is enough to send a kid to school for an entire year.

I should be grateful? Oh yeah, I'm grateful for being traumatized. I've learned to help many people because of it. The fees here wouldn't support a kid in school for a year.

Gay has EVERYTHING to do with the topic Dorothy because either you are for everyone's freedoms or you can shut up when your own are abridged.

If you can only see me as my sexual orientation, then you are really limiting our human connection. I'm not discussing marriage equality on this thread. Please stick to the topic.

[ConHog]

If you can only see me as my sexual orientation, then you are really limiting our human connection. I'm not discussing marriage equality on this thread. Please stick to the topic.

If you can't see the correlation between rights here you are dumber than your biggest detractors have claimed .

[tailfins]

If you can only see me as my sexual orientation, then you are really limiting our human connection. I'm not discussing marriage equality on this thread. Please stick to the topic.

I only care about your orientation when you make it a burden for me and/or my family.

[ConHog]

I only care about your orientation when you make it a burden for me and/or my family.

She's blind. Only HER freedom matters to her, and that is exactly why she won't address my point.

[Wind Song]

If you can't see the correlation between rights here you are dumber than your biggest detractors have claimed .

Conhog--

I gave you a chance to be civil and you've decided not to take it.

See ya next time.

Sky