Objective learning, religious style.

[Wind Song]

Yes, personally I like to drop it in during foreplay - after we've sorted out the days recycling and brushed our teeth, but before i strip down to my socks and suspenders.

What a romantic!

[Noir]

What a romantic!

Psssst, it was a joke ^,^

[Wind Song]

Psssst, it was a joke ^,^

I was praising you. I think it's a challenge to have that kind of intimate conversation before you have sex. When you can do it, it's wonderful.

[fj1200]

You want to blame me for abortions. I wouldn't have one, I wouldn't advise somene to have one. I wouldn't judge and condemn someone who had one. It's their lives. Since the procedure is legal at least it can save the life of the pregnant woman, they don't both have to die.

Please point out where I want to blame you for abortions. :waits:

It isn't only people in committed relationships who become pregnant.

As Noir will say, "responsibility." Why are you continuing to avoid the core issue?

It all about responsibility, and like at the start of the thread when it was being argued that woman must accept the possibility of getting pregnant when having sex, men must do the same. If a man choses to have sex with a woman then whether or not he "wants" a child, he should accept the responsibly (at least financially, though hopefully emotionally too) of caring for a child that may result.

Yup.

[Wind Song]

Please point out where I want to blame you for abortions. :waits:



As Noir will say, "responsibility." Why are you continuing to avoid the core issue?



Yup.

What do you think the core issue is? Personally, I don't have this problem.

[fj1200]

What do you think the core issue is? Personally, I don't have this problem.

... the question goes to why you think a fetus is not granted the same right of life that the rest of us are. Why do you think the fetus as property argument is greater than the fetus being granted its own right of life argument?

[Wind Song]

I've never had an unplanned pregnancy. I don't approve of abortions on religious grounds. I am politically pro-choice. It's the law. It's prevented women from dying of unsafe procedures.

Yes, the anti-choice movement is designed to give the fetus, even a fertilized egg, personhood status. Unfortunately, anti-choice people, sometimes are against all forms of contraconception.

[fj1200]

I've never had an unplanned pregnancy. I don't approve of abortions on religious grounds. I am politically pro-choice. It's the law. It's prevented women from dying of unsafe procedures.

I can't imagine the negative karma associated with that position.

Yes, the anti-choice movement is designed to give the fetus, even a fertilized egg, personhood status. Unfortunately, anti-choice people, sometimes are against all forms of contraconception.

You didn't address the issue.

[Wind Song]

I can't imagine the negative karma associated with that position.



You didn't address the issue.

There is no negative karma associated with being pro-choice.

[Abbey Marie]

I've never had an unplanned pregnancy. I don't approve of abortions on religious grounds. I am politically pro-choice. It's the law. It's prevented women from dying of unsafe procedures.

Yes, the anti-choice movement is designed to give the fetus, even a fertilized egg, personhood status. Unfortunately, anti-choice people, sometimes are against all forms of contraconception.

As was slavery, once. And women denied the right to vote or own property. If you truly have religious reasons to be against abortion, you cannot possibly be for it just because it is " the law".

[tailfins]

Yes, the anti-choice movement is designed to give the fetus, even a fertilized egg, personhood status. Unfortunately, anti-choice people, sometimes are against all forms of contraconception.

You should refer to your side as the pro-death movement. Ask abortion survivor Gianna Jessen what choice she was given complete with the "gift" of Cerebral Palsy. Generally it's only the Catholics who oppose contraception. The rest of the pro-life movement doesn't. This fabricated contraception canard actually helped Romney. It allowed a good cop-bad cop comparison with Santorum who Romney defeated. Now Romney is the man who defeated the anti-contraception candidate.

[Wind Song]

You mean the pro-death movement. Ask abortion survivor Gianna Jessen what choice she was given complete with the "gift" of Cerebral Palsy.

Pro-choice is pro-choice.

[fj1200]

Pro-choice is pro-choice.

You didn't address the issue.

Bump. Reciting current law is non-responsive.

[tailfins]

Bump. Reciting current law is non-responsive.

Nonthinking stances require that kind of response. Dimwits exist across the political spectrum.

[Wind Song]

Nonthinking stances require that kind of response. Dimwits exist across the political spectrum.

Name calling, is that your debate strategy?