What a vile, scumbag organization!

[Gator Monroe]

SPLC ? MECHA ?? La Raza??? Iranian Students League ????

[Howard Roark]

Rather than using an article like this to raise 'tax deductible' donations, why doesn't CNS begin a fund that will help subscribers with the costs involved in order to adopt these unwanted babies?

They could even have a bowl a thon for adoption.


At the very least, they should start a database of people who are willing to adopt these babies.

Oh, wait...those people don't exist.

[fj1200]

^There are plenty of people who want to adopt, they just go overseas to avoid all the issues with adopting domestics.

[Gator Monroe]

Oh, I thought this thread was about Vile Despicable Organizations , like CPUSA ...

[Howard Roark]

^There are plenty of people who want to adopt, they just go overseas to avoid all the issues with adopting domestics.

Then they should mind their own business re. abortions in this country.

[Abbey Marie]

Then they should mind their own business re. abortions in this country.

They wouldn't have to go overseas if it wasn't so difficult here. Why should they, of all people, mind their business?

[Kathianne]

I got to say that today I was happily amazed at the health class I had to attend with the ELL students I am subbing for this week. Freshmen. It's a unit, I was with them last week when they were having a quiz on female/male reproductive systems.

Today was pregnancy. The teacher had all the facts, stages with images, two pics of herself pregnant at 5 months and 2 days before giving birth. She spoke of her miscarriage before the successful pregnancy and in response to one of the students questions said that, 'Yes, it is called an abortion in medical terms, but we wanted that baby and had to deal with the grief of losing it.' She spoke of the happiness she and her husband had while waiting. Never did she make a statement on abortions by choice, but made it clear that as husband and wife they wanted their children. The kids paid attention.

When we got to the 3 stages of birth she spoke of having an epidural and asked me if I'd kids and did I accept drugs? The kids were all looking at me and I said, 'When I was having kids, the push was on for not having anything.' I didn't. She winced and laughed, 'I don't think I could do that, though I didn't like the feeling of not feeling.' I laughed and said my daughter has said, 'No way would I go without drugs.' LOL! The kids laughed and kept asking both of us questions. They were in awe of the video showing the birth.

While I'm not an advocate of showing kids how to apply condoms and such, basic information on their bodies, where babies are in development en utero, I think is great.

One of the pics was at like 9 weeks gestation, she pointed out the eyes, ears, hands, and feet. Counted the toes. Nothing anti-life about that.

I might point out that this is a very 'progressive' school.

[Howard Roark]

How is requiring a sonogram before an abortion different than requiring a building permit before building a shed on your own property?

That's a horrible analogy.

Why require taking a picture of the lawn, before you build a shed?

[libertine]

That's a horrible analogy.

Why require taking a picture of the lawn, before you build a shed?

Actually it's not a horrible analogy; it's an excellent one in that it illustrates how the womb is seen as a birthing vessel deemed the dominion of the law, not the mother.

[Howard Roark]

They wouldn't have to go overseas if it wasn't so difficult here. Why should they, of all people, mind their business?

That's my point. Instead of the right wing rag using the abortion issue to garner donations, why don't they start a database of willing adopters, and push for easier terms in this country?

[Howard Roark]

Actually it's not a horrible analogy; it's an excellent one in that it illustrates how the womb is seen as a birthing vessel deemed the dominion of the law, not the mother.

Well, when you put it that way.....

[SassyLady]

Actually it's not a horrible analogy; it's an excellent one in that it illustrates how the womb is seen as a birthing vessel deemed the dominion of the law, not the mother.

It is a birthing vessel. The child being raised inside has less rights than the mother?

[Missileman]

It is a birthing vessel. The child being raised inside has less rights than the mother?

Not only less rights than the mother before it's born, but until it reaches 18 years of age. Things that make you go hmmm.

[Kathianne]

That's a horrible analogy.

Why require taking a picture of the lawn, before you build a shed?

On what grounds?

[Kathianne]

Actually it's not a horrible analogy; it's an excellent one in that it illustrates how the womb is seen as a birthing vessel deemed the dominion of the law, not the mother.

Actually, it's not different than anywhere else in nature. Mature of the species procreate. Yes, humans have managed to figure out how to copulate without the burden, but that doesn't equal abortion as an alternative to planning.