North Carolina bans same sex marriage

[jimnyc]

North Carolina passes same-sex marriage ban, CNN projects

(CNN) -- North Carolina voters have passed a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, CNN projects, putting a ban that already existed in state law into the state's charter.

With more than 1.5 million votes counted from Tuesday's referendum, supporters of the ban led opponents by a margin of 61% to 39%, according to figures from the State Board of Elections. Its backers prepared to celebrate by serving wedding cake to their supporters in a Raleigh ballroom.

Tami Fitzgerald, the head of Vote for Marriage NC, said she had been confident that "the people of North Carolina would rise up and vote to keep the opposition from redefining traditional marriage.

"We are not anti-gay, we are pro-marriage," she said. "And the point -- the whole point -- is simply that you don't rewrite the nature of God's design for marriage based on the demands of a group of adults."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/08/politi...ion=cnn_latest

[cadet]

Well, I know where I'm moving too.

Just as soon as all the gay protesters come and go.

[Noir]

I wonder if gods idea of marriage includes the idea of (say) a man and a woman, both divorced several times, getting married.

[Wind Song]

You can marry your cousin in Tennessee but you can't marry your same sex lover and companion.

[Wind Song]

Marraige licenses have immigration implications and rights connected to them. Most married couples don't plan on spending their savings on attorney fees just so one partner can stay in the US as long as possible, while simultaneously spending money to secure other options in Canada or one of the other countries that might recognize their relationship for immigration purposes.

Living their lives in complete uncertainty what country they may be living in next month.

Being deported for a simple trafffic violation.

[Wind Song]

What happens to an American lesbian in London who meets the woman of her dreams and wants to bring her back to America to live out the rest of their lives? If she's heterosexual, all she has to do is fill out some paperwork, but ultimately, she'll be able to do it.

If she's a lesbian, her partner will have to apply for a work visa, and they'll both have to keep praying it will be renewed or that some nice employer will sponsor her for citizenship. Otherwise her partner will have to return to her own country or may in desperation, enter into a fraudulent heterosexual marriage which will grant her citizenship rights. If she pulls it off, she can stay. If she gets caught, it's prison, then deportation.

[jimnyc]

I wonder if gods idea of marriage includes the idea of (say) a man and a woman, both divorced several times, getting married.

The Catholic Church is against divorce and you cannot remarry in the church once you've done so.

[MtnBiker]

The headline should read "In North Carolina Obama's base turns out to ban gay marriage"

As National Journal's Beth Reinhard wrote on Monday, the issue of gay marriage is politically complicated for Obama because while young voters largely support it, African-Americans do not.

Indeed, many rural, heavily African-American counties that strongly supported Obama in the 2008 contest overwhelmingly backed the gay marriage ban. In Hertford County, which is over 60 percent African-American, Obama won 70 percent of the vote in 2008 but it voted heavily for Amendment 1 (3,817 yes votes; 1,627 no votes).

In Bertie County, the most African-American county in the state (over 62 percent), Obama garnered over 65 percent of the vote. But a whopping 73 percent of the county's voters supported the constitutional amendment.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal...carolina-2.php

[Wind Song]

Social security is a major form of retirement for most people. LGBT people are not eligible to receive spousal benefits because we do not fit the marriage framework. We are NOT able to legally marry. Pension and 401k plans often don't recognize a same sex partner as a beneficiary. Marriage ensures that spouses receive benefits that right now LGBT people can't get.

50% of Area Agencies on Aging would not want LGBT people at their senior centers. AAA's provide the bulk of social services to seniors.

[logroller]

Marraige licenses have immigration implications and rights connected to them. Most married couples don't plan on spending their savings on attorney fees just so one partner can stay in the US as long as possible, while simultaneously spending money to secure other options in Canada or one of the other countries that might recognize their relationship for immigration purposes.

Living their lives in complete uncertainty what country they may be living in next month.

Being deported for a simple trafffic violation.

totally off topic. Fresh off a 24-hr and now you're gunning for a thread ban.

[logroller]

What happens to an American lesbian in London who meets the woman of her dreams and wants to bring her back to America to live out the rest of their lives? If she's heterosexual, all she has to do is fill out some paperwork, but ultimately, she'll be able to do it.

If she's a lesbian, her partner will have to apply for a work visa, and they'll both have to keep praying it will be renewed or that some nice employer will sponsor her for citizenship. Otherwise her partner will have to return to her own country or may in desperation, enter into a fraudulent heterosexual marriage which will grant her citizenship rights. If she pulls it off, she can stay. If she gets caught, it's prison, then deportation.

She comes and post about it in a thread that has nothing to do with LGBT, marriage or immigration?

[logroller]

I wonder if gods idea of marriage includes the idea of (say) a man and a woman, both divorced several times, getting married.

Then the Pope has got some explaining to do.

[Wind Song]

Het couple Jane and John go to the sperm bank because they want to have a child and John is infertile. They pick out a nice donor and after some time. Bingo, Jane is pregnant.

Jane and Julie, a lesbian couple, go to the sperm bank because they want to have a child. After several attempts, Jane is pregnant.

It looks like all things should be equal. One biological parent, one nonbiological parent in both couples. It should be equal, but it's not.

Because of their civil marriage, Jane and John have their child and each of their names automatically go on the birth certificate. But for Jane and Julie, the ordeal is just beginning. After their baby is born, only Jane's name is on the birth certificate. The non-biological parent, Julie, is considered a legal stranger, unless her state allow her to go either through a second parent adoption or a stepparent adoption.

Second parent adoptions protect children in same sex parent families by giving them the security of two legal parents. The second parent adoption protects the rights of the second parent by making sure he or she will continue to have legally recognized parent relationship to the child in the event that the couple separates or the biological parent dies or becomes incapacitated. Second parent adoption is only legal in ten states.

[tailfins]

She comes and post about it in a thread that has nothing to do with LGBT, marriage or immigration?

Some people just don't know any better.

[jimnyc]

Het couple Jane and John go to the sperm bank because they want to have a child and John is infertile. They pick out a nice donor and after some time. Bingo, Jane is pregnant.

Jane and Julie, a lesbian couple, go to the sperm bank because they want to have a child. After several attempts, Jane is pregnant.

It looks like all things should be equal. One biological parent, one nonbiological parent in both couples. It should be equal, but it's not.

Because of their civil marriage, Jane and John have their child and each of their names automatically go on the birth certificate. But for Jane and Julie, the ordeal is just beginning. After their baby is born, only Jane's name is on the birth certificate. The non-biological parent, Julie, is considered a legal stranger, unless her state allow her to go either through a second parent adoption or a stepparent adoption.

Second parent adoptions protect children in same sex parent families by giving them the security of two legal parents. The second parent adoption protects the rights of the second parent by making sure he or she will continue to have legally recognized parent relationship to the child in the event that the couple separates or the biological parent dies or becomes incapacitated. Second parent adoption is only legal in ten states.

Are we discussing marriage equality and adoptions - or abortions, which WAS the subject of this thread? I'm confused.