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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    From the Catholic Marriage Centre.



    And



    http://www.catholicmarriagecentre.or...riagefaq.php#f
    More on the process here, about how the Church determines what is a marriage and whether or not the prior is invalid.


    What is Marriage?

    In order to understand what the Church means when it issues a Declaration of Nullity it is helpful to look first at the Church’s understanding of marriage. Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman which establishes a partnership for life. Marriage is a vocation which fosters the good of the spouses and naturally leads to the procreation and education of children. Marriage is a sacrament, as St. Paul taught in the New Testament (Eph. 5).
    A number of elements must come together for the sacrament of marriage to occur. The first is the “Canonical Form” of marriage: a Catholic must ordinarily be married within a Catholic church and before a priest or deacon. The requirements for the Canonical Form of marriage applies only to Catholic spouses, so we would recognize the marriage of two persons who are not Catholic, even if they did not marry in a church ceremony or religious service.
    However, following the proper canonical form of marriage is not all that is necessary for a valid sacramental marriage to take place. The couple must also freely and knowingly choose to enter marriage as the Church understands marriage. This is “Marital Consent.” A number of intentions must be made by the couple at the time of marriage in order for consent to be valid, that is, in order to establish the unbreakable bond between husband and wife that is a sacramental marriage. The couple must understand what marriage is and they must intend their marriage to be a lifelong partnership which is open to children. They must intend fidelity and the mutual good of one another. They must also have the physical and psychological ability to follow through on these intentions.
    When all of the above factors are brought together, a sacramental, indissoluble union is established by God. If a Catholic spouse marries with the proper Canonical Form and with at least the semblance of the necessary intentions given through the marriage vows, we recognize the enduring marriage bond which cannot be dissolved, even if the civil government, through divorce, no longer recognizes that a marriage exists.
    When Christians marry in this way, we believe that God has made the two persons one in the sacrament of marriage (cf. Mt. 19:5). Because Jesus taught the indissolubility of marriage—“therefore, let no one separate what God has joined” (Mt. 19:6)—we believe that it is impossible for any human power to break the God-made bond, or sacramental covenant, between husband and wife.

    So, What Exactly is a Declaration of Invalidity?

    Is it ever possible to enter a second marriage? If a Catholic spouse did not follow the Canonical Form of marriage, outlined above, then a relatively simple process can be followed in order to receive a Declaration of Nullity based on a Lack of Canonical Form. But if proper Canonical Form was observed, or if it was not required—for members of other faith traditions, for example—a second type of process examines Marital Consent, that is, the intentions and abilities of the spouses at the time of marriage. This process is called a Formal Case. It is possible to have two persons legally married, but never actually joined together by God in a sacramental union. The Formal Case process is complex, detailed, and is lengthy—9 to 18 months.
    In either the Lack of Form Case or the Formal Case we must be very clear: the Decree of Invalidity is not a “Catholic Divorce.” The Church does not have the power to divorce any persons who have been united by God. A Decree of Invalidity states that the enduring bond of the sacrament of marriage was never present from the very beginning of the marriage. If this is decided by a church Tribunal, the spouses are free to marry again.
    It must also be made clear that a Decree of Invalidity in no way affects the legitimacy of children of such a previous marriage, and has no bearing on other natural and civil obligations such as child support or custody. A church Decree of Invalidity does not imply that the marriage never existed, but only that it did not have the character of a sacrament. The Church does not seek to assign blame for the marriage breakup to any of the persons involved.
    Does a Divorce affect my Status in the Catholic Church?

    Please remember that a divorce alone would not affect, or hinder in any way, your participation in the Catholic Church. A divorced Catholic is free to receive the sacraments. However, if you are divorced and remarried without an Decree of Invalidity (and your former spouse is still living) a problem does arise. Similarly, if your spouse was previously married and has not received an Decree of Invalidity from a Tribunal, there is a problem. In such circumstances, you may not partake of the sacraments, including the reception of Holy Communion. We respect all marriages, even those which have ended in a civil divorce. Every prior marriage must be examined, since each is presumed to be valid with a lasting and lifelong commitment. Until it is shown otherwise through the ministry of the Tribunal, no person is free to enter into another marriage without the appearance or occasion of serious sin.
    If you or your current spouse are divorced, and remarried outside of the Catholic Church, please consider seeking the healing that an investigation for a Decree of Invalidity can bring to you and which will enable you to return to a full participation in the sacramental life of the Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Good for the state preferring incest over marriage equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    I'm making a case about why people should give a damn about marriage equality.

    Do you realize that it would be much harder for the Preezy of the United Steezy be reelected by his own base if he supported gay marriage?

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    No linky yet, but I have heard that John Stossel had a program that showed that marrying even siblings, while disgusting, doesn't result in genetic abnormalities as is generally believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Good for the state preferring incest over marriage equality.
    So, of the states that allow same sex marriage, how many of those states also allow marriage between first cousins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Do you realize that it would be much harder for the Preezy of the United Steezy be reelected by his own base if he supported gay marriage?
    In most gay marriage ban votes, the black vote goes in favor of the ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    In most gay marriage ban votes, the black vote goes in favor of the ban.
    So what? Are you trying to throw in the race card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Good for the state preferring incest over marriage equality.
    How is a law applying to everybody somehow 'unequal'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Is incest "Southern culture"?

    Is it California culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    How is a law applying to everybody somehow 'unequal'?
    Is fucking your first cousin something you agree with? My point is that INCEST is legal in North Carolina but gay marriage isn't. That doesn't make much sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Is it California culture?
    No, we don't let first cousins marry in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Is fucking your first cousin something you agree with?
    What if it is two gay men that are cousins?

    BTW, the state of California agrees with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Song View Post
    Is fucking your first cousin something you agree with? My point is that INCEST is legal in North Carolina but gay marriage isn't. That doesn't make much sense to me.
    So YOUR judgment on who should get married is somehow 'enlightened'? You want inclusive marriages - but those ONLY on your terms? Hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    What if it is two gay men that are cousins?

    BTW, the state of California agrees with it.
    The state of California does not agree with first cousins marrying.

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