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    A rebuttal:

    1) Sexworkers are a legitimate option for older single men or those married.

    If one respects one's wedding vows, then there is no other legitimate option, other than your spouse, for sexual pleasure. As for single people, I suppose this depends on your morality, but, for those not opposed to pre-marital sex, aren't other single women just as legitimate an option? How about one-night stands?

    2) Biblically Not an Issue - Many wives and concubines was acceptable as were "common" prostitutes.

    Concubines were culturally accepted, and many heathen religions in the Middle East made use of temple prostitutes, but sex outside of the marriage bond is never portrayed as anything but sinful behavior.

    3) Prostitutes can make the world safer for women and healthy for normal men.

    The argument that 'prostitutes decrease sex crimes' seems very dubious to me. Can pedophiles get their fix from visiting prostitutes?

    4) Prostitutes become experts who can offer high quality sex.

    Anyone can become an 'expert' at sex, with the will to accomplish and enough practice.

    5) Prostitution is the oldest profession and should be respected.

    According the the Bible, the oldest profession is farming. And regardless, the age of a profession shouldn't be a reason to support its continued existence. Murder has been around since the beginning of human civilization as well - should we be OK with that?

    6) Prostitutes offer many services often far more than just sex.

    All such other services can be obtained legally, or even better, through actual relationships, not being paid to "fall in love" as some 'escorts' claim to do.

    7) It can be a satisfying Job.

    Any number of jobs can be satisfying to any number of people. This is hardly a reason for legalizing prostitution.

    8) Many Men Need Teaching.

    The only person who can make such a judgment call is 1) the man, or 2) his sex partner/girlfriend/wife, who ought to be the one doing the teaching, if she's so unsatisfied with it.

    9) Prostitution enables many women to liberate themselves.

    The idea that a woman cannot liberate herself sexually with her partner/boyfriend/husband is ludicrous. In fact, with the bond that is built between a husband and wife over time, I would argue that a stable marriage is the most liberating sexual partnership one could have.

    10) Prostitution provides a better alternative to starving or stealing.

    This is true of any job.

    11) Prostitutes Educate.

    See my rebuttal to #8.

    12) Prostitutes provide fun.

    Amusement parks provide fun. Dance clubs provide fun. Parks provide fun. Sex with someone you don't have to pay provides fun. This is also a lame argument.

    13) Prostitution is good for mental health.

    No, sex is good for mental health, and it can be obtained through other means.

    14) Prostitution can cure problems.

    The argument given here is actually that love cures problems. I doubt a hooker can provide the type of love that a person actually needs. If she loves the guy so much, why would she charge so much to provide such a loving, caring service?

    15) Sex Work can be empowering.

    Any type of work can be empowering. Another non-argument.

    Here's an argument that wasn't even addressed: many women are forced into the sex industry and enslaved, whether by physical force or by drug addictions. IIRC, the sex trade is the largest component in human trafficking/slavery in the world today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOki View Post
    Irrelevent. Although short-sighted means neither sensible or senseless; it doesn't mean right or wrong either.

    I can't imagine how far-sighted senslessness can be considered better than short-sighted senselessness, I can, however, understand how short-sighted sense is better then far-sighted senselessness; and since sensible always means selfish, I don't necessarily have a problem with selfish and short-sighted reasons.

    The arguments laid-out in the Article are wrong. The problem isn't they are short-sided, it's the benefits the article claims will HURT people. That makes it morally bankrupt....'wrong'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    The arguments laid-out in the Article are wrong.
    Could be, but I'm not about to say you've demonstrated it.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    The problem isn't they are short-sided,...
    I didn't even suggest short-sightedness was the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    ...it's the benefits the article claims will HURT people.
    Hurt? I was probably not paying attention when you demonstrated this. I will agree however that not everything listed as a benefit is actually a benefit. For example, #1, #2, and #5 don't appear to actually be benfits to me--they're more like apologies.

    It also occurs to me that some of these benefits are a bit dubious. Examples being #3, #9, #10, #14, and #15.

    Yet none appear to be necessarily harmful. Not even #12.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    That makes it morally bankrupt....'wrong'.
    I'm sure you think so, but your responses revolving around selfishness and short-sightedness give no clues to why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOki View Post
    Could be, but I'm not about to say you've demonstrated it.

    I didn't even suggest short-sightedness was the problem.

    Hurt? I was probably not paying attention when you demonstrated this. I will agree however that not everything listed as a benefit is actually a benefit. For example, #1, #2, and #5 don't appear to actually be benfits to me--they're more like apologies.

    It also occurs to me that some of these benefits are a bit dubious. Examples being #3, #9, #10, #14, and #15.

    Yet none appear to be necessarily harmful. Not even #12.

    I'm sure you think so, but your responses revolving around selfishness and short-sightedness give no clues to why.
    What the hell are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    What the hell are you talking about?
    I'm responding to your posts--I'm pretty sure I've quoted and linked to them approriately.

    Or it's the #'s you're wonding about--those refer to the thread starting article.
    Last edited by LOki; 05-22-2007 at 12:37 PM.
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    moral victimless crimes have no place in a safe society... the only thing making prostitution a dangerous proffession tied to other dangerous illegal behavior is the government which prohibits it. It's the same thing with marijauna, cigarettes, alcohol, and firearms, morally they could be considered bad things, but they are much safer and better for society when they are legal than the alternative... it's unfortunate that on some things people are too stubborn to see the truth. by the way, personally I'm against prostitution, i would never partake, but allowing hordes of women to be brutalized, murdered, and abused, simply because letting them make money with their bodies is "wrong" is absurd and whoever made these laws and keeps them on the books should be ashamed.
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    OK... I "know" a few hookers. After all, it's legal here in Nevada. There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned here, and that's that there's a fair amount of these women that "LIKE" what they do. They simply LIKE sex! So they've decided, why not get paid for it? And when I see these fatass, doofus looking, bald, pot bellied, RICH men with a HOT TROPHY WIFE hanging off them, isn't that women also prostituting herself off just for the money? She certainly would NOT be with mister bald, ugly, doofus, fatass if he was standing at the order window asking you if you want that supersized. Is the woman marrying this man not just as much of a prostitute as the woman at the whore house? They're both SELLING themselves.

    The other thing I'd say is yes, the girls do provide a service. They sell sex to men that otherwise probably would never get laid. How many of those men would rape if they couldn't go to the cat house? I think it's a reasonable question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    OK... I "know" a few hookers. After all, it's legal here in Nevada. There's one thing that hasn't been mentioned here, and that's that there's a fair amount of these women that "LIKE" what they do. They simply LIKE sex! So they've decided, why not get paid for it? And when I see these fatass, doofus looking, bald, pot bellied, RICH men with a HOT TROPHY WIFE hanging off them, isn't that women also prostituting herself off just for the money? She certainly would NOT be with mister bald, ugly, doofus, fatass if he was standing at the order window asking you if you want that supersized. Is the woman marrying this man not just as much of a prostitute as the woman at the whore house? They're both SELLING themselves.
    that is also a good point, it's just another law that targets the poor and lets the rich off... rich guys can prostitute women legally because they don't need to hand over the money in an isolated deal, they get trophy wives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chum43 View Post
    that is also a good point, it's just another law that targets the poor and lets the rich off... rich guys can prostitute women legally because they don't need to hand over the money in an isolated deal, they get trophy wives.
    The point is, if a prostitute is guilty for doing what she does, then so is the woman that marries for money. They're both surrendering their bodies for money. Anna Nichol Smith comes to mind as a prime example of the later, as does any hot young "bunny" that screws that wrinkly old man Hugh Hefner. They're all prostitutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    Now before anyone has a coniption, I want to say that I neither support or don't support the article. There's some things in it I can agree with, and much I don't. I posted it simply for others to read and give their opinion.
    There is no way in hell that I support prostitution and or stripping. I think it is degrading to the woman. When I run for office here in Nevada, on one of my issues will be to make prostitution illegal here and get the brothels closed down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    The point is, if a prostitute is guilty for doing what she does, then so is the woman that marries for money. They're both surrendering their bodies for money. Anna Nichol Smith comes to mind as a prime example of the later, as does any hot young "bunny" that screws that wrinkly old man Hugh Hefner. They're all prostitutes.
    In a way your always paying for sex one way or another. I mean you take the woman to dinner or out for a night on the town, so your basically paying for her. When your married or in a relationship with them then you buy them gifts and other things so once again your paying for it. So either way your paying for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    There is no way in hell that I support prostitution and or stripping. I think it is degrading to the woman. When I run for office here in Nevada, on one of my issues will be to make prostitution illegal here and get the brothels closed down.
    Might as well not run then. You will NEVER get elected. If you're that dead set against prostitution, move to another state. Trying to upset a Nevada tradition as old, lucrative and accepted as cat houses, you've just signed your own political death certificate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    In a way your always paying for sex one way or another. I mean you take the woman to dinner or out for a night on the town, so your basically paying for her. When your married or in a relationship with them then you buy them gifts and other things so once again your paying for it. So either way your paying for it.
    So in practically in the same breath you proclaim your war against prositution if elected, but yet you admit it happens in relationships and marriage, and you have no problem with that? Uh huh... you are sounding like a politician, talking out both sides of your mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    In a way your always paying for sex one way or another. I mean you take the woman to dinner or out for a night on the town, so your basically paying for her. When your married or in a relationship with them then you buy them gifts and other things so once again your paying for it. So either way your paying for it.
    Are you saying the only reason a man pays for a meal or buys a present for a woman is to exchange that for sex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Are you saying the only reason a man pays for a meal or buys a present for a woman is to exchange that for sex?
    I don't think he really knows what he's saying MB. I'm really beginning to wonder what gives him the impression he thinks he's not a democrat, because that's more and more what he sounds like.

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