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    Default Iran encouraged by our congress having no balls.

    Any libs care to speak to the fact in this story? How people can cry and whine and beg for us to Leave Iraq after reading this would, to me, indicate or betray their mental issues.


    Iran's secret plan for summer offensive to force US out of Iraq

    Iran is secretly forging ties with al-Qaida elements and Sunni Arab militias in Iraq in preparation for a summer showdown with coalition forces intended to tip a wavering US Congress into voting for full military withdrawal, US officials say.

    "Iran is fighting a proxy war in Iraq and it's a very dangerous course for them to be following. They are already committing daily acts of war against US and British forces," a senior US official in Baghdad warned. "They [Iran] are behind a lot of high-profile attacks meant to undermine US will and British will, such as the rocket attacks on Basra palace and the Green Zone [in Baghdad]. The attacks are directed by the Revolutionary Guard who are connected right to the top [of the Iranian government]."

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    The official said US commanders were bracing for a nationwide, Iranian-orchestrated summer offensive, linking al-Qaida and Sunni insurgents to Tehran's Shia militia allies, that Iran hoped would trigger a political mutiny in Washington and a US retreat. "We expect that al-Qaida and Iran will both attempt to increase the propaganda and increase the violence prior to Petraeus's report in September [when the US commander General David Petraeus will report to Congress on President George Bush's controversial, six-month security "surge" of 30,000 troop reinforcements]," the official said.

    "Certainly it [the violence] is going to pick up from their side. There is significant latent capability in Iraq, especially Iranian-sponsored capability. They can turn it up whenever they want. You can see that from the pre-positioning that's been going on and the huge stockpiles of Iranian weapons that we've turned up in the last couple of months. The relationships between Iran and groups like al-Qaida are very fluid," the official said.

    "It often comes down to individuals, and people constantly move around. For instance, the Sunni Arab so-called resistance groups use Salafi jihadist ideology for their own purposes. But the whole Iran- al-Qaida linkup is very sinister."

    Iran has maintained close links to Iraq's Shia political parties and militias but has previously eschewed collaboration with al-Qaida and Sunni insurgents.

    US officials now say they have firm evidence that Tehran has switched tack as it senses a chance of victory in Iraq. In a parallel development, they say they also have proof that Iran has reversed its previous policy in Afghanistan and is now supporting and supplying the Taliban's campaign against US, British and other Nato forces.

    Tehran's strategy to discredit the US surge and foment a decisive congressional revolt against Mr Bush is national in scope and not confined to the Shia south, its traditional sphere of influence, the senior official in Baghdad said. It included stepped-up coordination with Shia militias such as Moqtada al-Sadr's Jaish al-Mahdi as well as Syrian-backed Sunni Arab groups and al-Qaida in Mesopotamia, he added. Iran was also expanding contacts across the board with paramilitary forces and political groups, including Kurdish parties such as the PUK, a US ally.

    "Their strategy takes into account all these various parties. Iran is playing all these different factions to maximise its future control and maximise US and British difficulties. Their co-conspirator is Syria which is allowing the takfirists [fundamentalist Salafi jihadis] to come across the border," the official said.

    Any US decision to retaliate against Iran on its own territory could be taken only at the highest political level in Washington, the official said. But he indicated that American patience was wearing thin.

    Warning that the US was "absolutely determined" to hit back hard wherever it was challenged by Iranian proxies or agents inside Iraq, he cited the case of five alleged members of the Revolutionary Guard's al-Quds force detained in Irbil in January. Despite strenuous protests from Tehran, which claims the men are diplomats, they have still not been released.

    "Tehran is behaving like a racecourse gambler. They're betting on all the horses in the race, even on people they fundamentally don't trust," a senior administration official in Washington said. "They don't know what the outcome will be in Iraq. So they're hedging their bets."

    The administration official also claimed that notwithstanding recent US and British overtures, Syria was still collaborating closely with Iran's strategy in Iraq.

    "80% to 90%" of the foreign jihadis entering Iraq were doing so from Syrian territory, he said.

    Despite recent diplomatic contacts, and an agreement to hold bilateral talks at ambassadorial level in Baghdad next week, US officials say there has been no let-up in hostile Iranian activities, including continuing support for violence, weapons smuggling and training.

    "Iran is perpetuating the cycle of sectarian violence through support for extra-judicial killing and murder cells. They bring Iraqi militia members and insurgent groups into Iran for training and then help infiltrate them back into the country. We have plenty of evidence from a variety of sources. There's no argument about that. That's just a fact," the senior official in Baghdad said.

    In trying to force an American retreat, Iran's hardline leadership also hoped to bring about a humiliating political and diplomatic defeat for the US that would reduce Washington's regional influence while increasing Tehran's own.

    But if Iran succeeded in "prematurely" driving US and British forces out of Iraq, the likely result would be a "colossal humanitarian disaster" and possible regional war drawing in the Sunni Arab Gulf states, Syria and Turkey, he said.

    Despite such concerns, or because of them, the US welcomed the chance to talk to Iran, the senior administration official said. "Our agenda starts with force protection in Iraq," he said. But there were many other Iraq-related issues to be discussed. Recent pressure had shown that Iran's behaviour could be modified, the official claimed: "Last winter they were literally getting away with murder."

    But tougher action by security forces in Iraq against Iranian agents and networks, the dispatch of an additional aircraft carrier group to the Gulf and UN security council resolutions imposing sanctions had given Tehran pause, he said.

    Washington analysts and commentators predict that Gen Petraeus's report to the White House and Congress in early September will be a pivotal moment in the history of the four-and-a-half-year war - and a decision to begin a troop drawdown or continue with the surge policy will hinge on the outcome. Most Democrats and many Republicans in Congress believe Iraq is in the grip of a civil war and that there is little that a continuing military presence can achieve. "Political will has already failed. It's over," a former Bush administration official said.

    A senior adviser to Gen Petraeus reported this month that the surge had reduced violence, especially sectarian killings, in the Baghdad area and Sunni-dominated Anbar province. But the adviser admitted that much of the trouble had merely moved elsewhere, "resulting in spikes of activity in Diyala [to the north] and some areas to the south of the capital". "Overall violence is at about the same level [as when the surge began in February]."

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    or they know if we do attack, we will give up and then use our money to rebuild them and maybe throw in some nuclear power plants as a 'sorry, my bad'

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    Dang......

    Why can't we just pull everyone out and carpet bomb them into a parking lot - After all, doesn't Wal Mart need a few stores over there?

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    yah! and no warning! i mean we killed 655,000 innoncent civilians anyways!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeybone View Post
    yah! and no warning! i mean we killed 655,000 innoncent civilians anyways!
    WTH?

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    Our Congress doesn't have any balls because the American people no longer have them.

    Very, very few people in this country would be willing to do what it will take to defeat the long term Islamic threat.
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    sarcasm Cp. sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by theHawk View Post
    Our Congress doesn't have any balls because the American people no longer have them.

    Very, very few people in this country would be willing to do what it will take to defeat the long term Islamic threat.
    Between that and the pollution of our boarders will lead to our demise.... sad but true...

    The diesese of liberalism has spread so far, that it has mentally castrated the USA...

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    is liberalism a nice way of saying that you lay down and 'tolerate' ppl and their beliefs rather than stand up for what you know is right? like being lazy?

    and to do anything about it would we have to have direct link it Iran? i mean like a video or photos of them doing it other than intelignece that will just be accused of being made up?

    or will we have to stop and wait until something happens? like either after the withdraw or during it?
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    DMP, the "source" for the articles contents is simply identified as "US officials".

    As in the same ones who said Saddam had WMD.

    Got any real evidence that any of this is true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    DMP, the "source" for the articles contents is simply identified as "US officials".

    As in the same ones who said Saddam had WMD.

    Got any real evidence that any of this is true?

    How do you know they are the same officials who were working on the Iraq-WMD Evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Cp View Post
    How do you know they are the same officials who were working on the Iraq-WMD Evidence?

    I doubt they are the same individuals. But I think they are spokespersons for the exact same pentagon propaganda machinery.

    Hence the anonymity, plausible deniability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    DMP, the "source" for the articles contents is simply identified as "US officials".

    As in the same ones who said Saddam had WMD.

    Got any real evidence that any of this is true?
    I guarantee they are not the 'sources' which tell Liberals GTMO is a 'torture camp'.



    Read the article. Discuss it. Weigh the evidence. I report, You decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    I guarantee they are not the 'sources' which tell Liberals GTMO is a 'torture camp'.



    Read the article. Discuss it. Weigh the evidence. I report, You decide.
    The entire credibility of the article rests soley on who is peddling this info.

    This sounds like more of that blame Iran rhetoric that always preceeds the buildup to another pre emptive invasion.

    "Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice, well I won't get fooled again" ~the decider

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    well, we already caught some of them over there and their weapons in IED debris didn't we? is that enough? i think that ppl will want more and until they give us another 9/11esque disaster or sucicide bomb a mall, we'll just stomp our feet and put UN sanctions on them..that'll show em

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