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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    John Kerry told some European leaders that the 1st amendment makes it "hard to govern."
    because people are self selecting news...
    as apposed to the gov't telling them everything via the MSM.




    Reporter Mat Tiabi (who had his house raided by the IRS after making reports the Biden Admin didnt like) speaking to congress about those comments and the new EU laws that censor free speech there.
    Taibbi exercised his Rights in an appropriate forum. Politicized and weaponized government has nothing to do with freedom of anything except itself. So long as the government and the people allow it, it won't change.

    John Kerry is a political opportunist without any substance otherwise. He is in fact a poster child for censorship. Not to mention likewise a poster child for people expressing themselves through the vote choosing more wisely. This charlatan jump started his career lying to Congress and hasn't stopped lying to the people since.

    The problem I see in each scenario you mention is stupid people in power, or abusing a Constitutional Right by pushing it beyond the extreme. The guy that did it right got raked over the coals by a bunch of partisan hacks. Likewise, rabble was allowed to interfere with when not threatening the Rights of others and received tacit if not outright support from the aforementioned partisan hacks.

    Those who cannot exercise their Rights responsibly are doomed to lose them, usually by their own hand.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Taibbi exercised his Rights in an appropriate forum. Politicized and weaponized government has nothing to do with freedom of anything except itself. So long as the government and the people allow it, it won't change.

    John Kerry is a political opportunist without any substance otherwise. He is in fact a poster child for censorship. Not to mention likewise a poster child for people expressing themselves through the vote choosing more wisely. This charlatan jump started his career lying to Congress and hasn't stopped lying to the people since.

    The problem I see in each scenario you mention is stupid people in power, or abusing a Constitutional Right by pushing it beyond the extreme. The guy that did it right got raked over the coals by a bunch of partisan hacks. Likewise, rabble was allowed to interfere with when not threatening the Rights of others and received tacit if not outright support from the aforementioned partisan hacks.

    Those who cannot exercise their Rights responsibly are doomed to lose them, usually by their own hand.
    Hard to tell by this where you land gunny.
    But i'm thinking where generally close. sorta

    Where we might differ is that, IMO If there's a choice between citizens freedoms/rights vs gov'ts responsibilities & "safety" i'm generally leaning hard towards individual freedoms/rights rather than any supposed govt/collective "necessity".
    Generally i dont like setting the precedent of the govt taking rights. It's become a bad habit. and the rights lost have rarely come back. It's as if the people never had them.

    Seems clear to me that where the constitution lands freedom wise IS FAR back from where we are now.
    & It's a document more about freedoms and limiting govt powers rather than "safety" or supposed good order.

    I think I understand your thoughts about "the people" behaving badly. But i don't assume that govt is daddy or momma who have the right or responsibility to take the car keys away because the people are acting too irresponsibly.

    I'm more concerned about crazy -big sister- locking people in the closet because of a supposed dirty look from the others.
    & Angry drunk -big brother- putting padlocks on the exits & burning the house down because the others "don't know how to act".
    Last edited by revelarts; Yesterday at 08:30 AM.
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    She Was Arrested for Praying in Her Head


    https://www.thefp.com/p/abortion-buf...ng-in-her-head

    Citizens in the UK have been arrested, prosecuted, and convicted for silently praying outside abortion clinics. Even organizing pro-life meetings in your own home may be a criminal offense.

    I'm sure we should not be concerned about things like that happeing here
    unless people abuse their freedoms maybe.



    ..
    BTW In contrast muslims pray on streets & on loud speakers all over Europe.


    Germany
    prosecuting online "hate speech".
    Raiding homes.
    Free speech has "limits"
    Last edited by revelarts; Yesterday at 09:26 AM.
    It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
    Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God.
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    Britain is putting people on curfews for social media posts

    “A young woman from Liverpool called Chelsea Russell — Her friend was killed in a car crash, a 19-year-old woman, and she posted the lyrics of his favorite song on her Instagram. And there was a rap song, so the lyrics contained several instances of the N-word. She was arrested. Prosecuted, found guilty, given 500 hours of community service and a fine, tagged and for a year she was under 8pm to 8am curfew.“

    “In Russia last year, 400 people were arrested for things that they said on social media.

    How many people do you think were arrested in Britain for things they said on social media last year?

    3,300. Arrested for what they'd said on social media”

    https://missliberty.com/uk-over-3300...sive-comments/




    Last edited by revelarts; Yesterday at 05:21 PM.
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    Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God.
    1 Peter 2:16

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    How about a thread that talks about how sad it is that foreign countries do not have a First Amendment?
    "when socialism fails, blame capitalism and demand more socialism." - A friend
    "You know the difference between libs and right-wingers? Libs STFU when evidence refutes their false beliefs." - Another friend
    “Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear.” - Paulo Coelho


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