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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Can you show where the right to straight marriage is codified in the Constitution?
    It isn't just like the equal rights clause doesn't apply, its left up to states and there is no basis for overturning bans based upon COTUS and the 14th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    It isn't just like the equal rights clause doesn't apply, its left up to states and there is no basis for overturning bans based upon COTUS and the 14th.
    You implied straight marriage was guaranteed by COTUS, it's not. If the Feds are going to pass laws that confer benefits based on marriage, they have no basis to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You implied straight marriage was guaranteed by COTUS, it's not. If the Feds are going to pass laws that confer benefits based on marriage, they have no basis to do so.
    They also then have no basis then for overturning the will of the voting public based upon the 14th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    They also then have no basis then for overturning the will of the voting public based upon the 14th.
    If the public have voted based on their religious beliefs, or because they think gay people are 'icky' then damn right the SCOTUS can overturn their votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    They also then have no basis then for overturning the will of the voting public based upon the 14th.
    Sure they do, Loving says so via incorporation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    Can someone show me where individuals who choose the homosexual lifestyle are at birth denied any rights guaranteed by the 14th amendment?
    They don't 'choose' any lifestyle. They just are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nell's Room View Post
    They don't 'choose' any lifestyle. They just are.
    IRRELEVANT.

    The fact is in THIS country, we have a right to choose to do things that may not be "normal" as long as it harms no one else. When people like OCA start screaming "choice" they are only trying to deflect because they know they can't debate the central argument that the gov't has no right to deny marriage to people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    IRRELEVANT.

    The fact is in THIS country, we have a right to choose to do things that may not be "normal" as long as it harms no one else. When people like OCA start screaming "choice" they are only trying to deflect because they know they can't debate the central argument that the gov't has no right to deny marriage to people.
    You would be correct. I have not heard one single argument against gay marriage that can't be shot down in flames. The anti gay rabble don't have any argument - and if they think their Bible can make the argument for them, they are kidding themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nell's Room View Post
    You would be correct. I have not heard one single argument against gay marriage that can't be shot down in flames. The anti gay rabble don't have any argument - and if they think their Bible can make the argument for them, they are kidding themselves.

    OMG where to start...oh christ, you google the lifestyle and its detrimental effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nell's Room View Post
    You would be correct. I have not heard one single argument against gay marriage that can't be shot down in flames. The anti gay rabble don't have any argument - and if they think their Bible can make the argument for them, they are kidding themselves.
    That's because the argument doesn't suit what YOU believe. Quite frankly, I have heard great arguments from both sides. If I were to take 90% of the gay marriage debating reasons, I can then apply it to so many other sick things for society and the argument would remain the same. But I'm a betting man, and I'm betting that the "So long as it doesn't hurt anyone" argument will go down the drain awfully quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    That's because the argument doesn't suit what YOU believe. Quite frankly, I have heard great arguments from both sides. If I were to take 90% of the gay marriage debating reasons, I can then apply it to so many other sick things for society and the argument would remain the same. But I'm a betting man, and I'm betting that the "So long as it doesn't hurt anyone" argument will go down the drain awfully quickly.
    Tax evasion doesn't hurt anyone else but you'll sure as hell go to the pokey if you don't pay your taxes for a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nell's Room View Post
    They don't 'choose' any lifestyle. They just are.
    Care to share with us and leading scientists and researchers the definitive genetic link you've discovered?

    You could get a nobel for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    Care to share with us and leading scientists and researchers the definitive genetic link you've discovered?

    You could get a nobel for that!
    Its logical. If someone is born straight, because heterosexuality is the 'default' gene, then why would someone choose to be attracted to someone they would never normally be attracted to?

    If you think people choose to be gay, do this little experiment. Look up some gay porn, watch it, and try to will an erection. Or try to force yourself to become sexually attracted to one of the participants of the film. If you can, your argument that homosexuality is chosen would be partially correct. If you can't, I win the debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nell's Room View Post
    Its logical. If someone is born straight, because heterosexuality is the 'default' gene, then why would someone choose to be attracted to someone they would never normally be attracted to?

    If you think people choose to be gay, do this little experiment. Look up some gay porn, watch it, and try to will an erection. Or try to force yourself to become sexually attracted to one of the participants of the film. If you can, your argument that homosexuality is chosen would be partially correct. If you can't, I win the debate.
    You're new here. Let me clue you in.

    OCA does watch gay porn, it DOES turn him on, and that scares him. Thus his over the top outrage about the gay.

    It's actually an accepted fact around here

    OCA

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    You're new here. Let me clue you in.

    OCA does watch gay porn, it DOES turn him on, and that scares him. Thus his over the top outrage about the gay.

    It's actually an accepted fact around here

    OCA
    Which is usually the case for some homosexual men. Their hatred of homosexuals is really self loathing.
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