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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    Assuming they are contracted employees of course. Most employees are not though, they are at will employees.
    You overstate at-will. If their handbook spells out disciplinary procedures they had better follow them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    Assuming they are contracted employees of course. Most employees are not though, they are at will employees.
    Still protected by most laws. In fact, it's the "at will" employees that get the most protection from the feds and states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You overstate at-will. If their handbook spells out disciplinary procedures they had better follow them.
    Don't make me fight you on this one again!!! So long as they make it clear that the HB is for guidelines only, and doesn't rise to a contract, it isn't, and the overwhelming majority of courts that have stepped in agree. Yes, it's wise to follow the HB, for loads of reasons - but it's hardly the "golden rule" or a contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Don't make me fight you on this one again!!! So long as they make it clear that the HB is for guidelines only, and doesn't rise to a contract, it isn't, and the overwhelming majority of courts that have stepped in agree. Yes, it's wise to follow the HB, for loads of reasons - but it's hardly the "golden rule" or a contract.
    I won't but... suffice it to say at-will is not what it's perceived to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I won't but... suffice it to say at-will is not what it's perceived to be.
    I hate you! LOL

    But yes, at will isn't a green light for employers to shit on employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You overstate at-will. If their handbook spells out disciplinary procedures they had better follow them.
    You're correct , my bad I over looked the fact that an employee handbook is for all intents and purposes a contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    You're correct , my bad I over looked the fact that an employee handbook is for all intents and purposes a contract.
    The opposite - probably 99% of handbooks do not make a contract. It CAN, but they very, very, very rarely do. AND, since a few have been ruled a HB in the past, all most employers need do now I simply state that the HB is NOT a contract, for guideline purposes only, as a reference, and that more or less guarantees that it can't be perceived as a contract.
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