The Tenth Amendment

[ConHog]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Probably one of the more controversial Amendments as many seem to believe that it means unless something is SPECIFICALLY listed in the COTUS that means the federal government can't do it, when clearly that is not the case.

Strangely enough , it usually works out that what people claim the government can't do is what they don't want the government to do while at the same time being okay with the government doing things they want them to do.

[fj1200]

Probably one of the more controversial Amendments as many seem to believe that it means unless something is SPECIFICALLY listed in the COTUS that means the federal government can't do it, when clearly that is not the case.

You've just described the should be scenario not the is scenario. Isn't everything the Federal government does Constitutional at least by some definition?

[revelarts]

...Probably one of the more controversial Amendments as many seem to believe that it means unless something is SPECIFICALLY listed in the COTUS that means the federal government can't do it, when clearly that is not the case.

Obviously it's not "clearly not the case" if "many" understand it to mean what you outlined.
I'm one of the many , any normal reading of those words gives you that meaning, I think it's even clearer than the 2nd amendment.

Isn't everything the Federal government does Constitutional at least by some definition?

Cough!!! What?

FJ c'mon that's Nixon talking. "It's not illegal if the president does it." That's King Louie Speaking "It's good to be the King".

here's a basic concept gentlemen. the LAW is KING.
the Constitution is the highest law in the land it means what the founders intended to mean.
If the people in Gov't breaks the Law it is a crime JUST THE SAME as if a lowly citizen breaks the Law. and the Constitution Is LAW mainly RESTRAINING Gov't. It is specific to the FEDERAL gov't
so if it goes outside it's clearly outlined boundaries it is breaking the law no matter what badges, titles or uniforms the people are wearing claim.

[fj1200]

Cough!!! What?

FJ c'mon that's Nixon talking. "It's not illegal if the president does it." That's King Louie Speaking "It's good to be the King".

here's a basic concept gentlemen. the LAW is KING.
the Constitution is the highest law in the land it means what the founders intended to mean.
If the people in Gov't breaks the Law it is a crime JUST THE SAME as if a lowly citizen breaks the Law. and the Constitution Is LAW mainly RESTRAINING Gov't. It is specific to the FEDERAL gov't
so if it goes outside it's clearly outlined boundaries it is breaking the law no matter what badges, titles or uniforms the people are wearing claim.

It was a question offered in the great Socratic method of inquiry. Show me a law that is unconstitutional and is not being challenged in the courts. You may have different opinions on constitutionality but the question remains.

Nixon.

[ConHog]

Obviously it's not "clearly not the case" if "many" understand it to mean what you outlined.
I'm one of the many , any normal reading of those words gives you that meaning, I think it's even clearer than the 2nd amendment.



Cough!!! What?

FJ c'mon that's Nixon talking. "It's not illegal if the president does it." That's King Louie Speaking "It's good to be the King".

here's a basic concept gentlemen. the LAW is KING.
the Constitution is the highest law in the land it means what the founders intended to mean.
If the people in Gov't breaks the Law it is a crime JUST THE SAME as if a lowly citizen breaks the Law. and the Constitution Is LAW mainly RESTRAINING Gov't. It is specific to the FEDERAL gov't
so if it goes outside it's clearly outlined boundaries it is breaking the law no matter what badges, titles or uniforms the people are wearing claim.

Seriously?

EPA - Constitutional, or not?
Highways- Constitutional, or not?
FDA- Constitutional, or not?

and right on down the line with things that are NOT specifically mentioned in the COTUS but which are CLEARLY constitutional.

[revelarts]

It was a question offered in the great Socratic method of inquiry. Show me a law that is unconstitutional and is not being challenged in the courts. You may have different opinions on constitutionality but the question remains.

Nixon.

Yes Nixon.

There are probably thousands of laws that have not been challenged that are unconstitutional.
Do you really want me to give you a list,
I drove past the airport the other day... TSA

Seriously?

EPA - Constitutional, or not?
Highways- Constitutional, or not?
FDA- Constitutional, or not?

and right on down the line with things that are NOT specifically mentioned in the COTUS but which are CLEARLY constitutional.

EPA - Constitutional, or not? NOT
Highways- Constitutional, or not? hmm Not
FDA- Constitutional, or not? To be Frank umm it's Not.

The thing that's clear is that we have them now. And we think we'd be hard press to live without um.
But in any normal reading of the Constitution the Fed Gov't doesn't have any of those powers/authority.

If they are Constitutional give me the sections in the constitution where they come from.
I'll wait.

[ConHog]

Yes Nixon.

There are probably thousands of laws that have not been challenged that are unconstitutional.
Do you really want me to give you a list,
I drove past the airport the other day... TSA






EPA - Constitutional, or not? NOT
Highways- Constitutional, or not? hmm Not
FDA- Constitutional, or not? To be Frank umm it's Not.

The thing that's clear is that we have them now. And we think we'd be hard press to live without um.
But in any normal reading of the Constitution the Fed Gov't doesn't have any of those powers/authority.

If they are Constitutional give me the sections in the constitution where they come from.
I'll wait.

Really?

Hmmm I believe the EPA and teh FDA are BOTH essential to well being of this nation. Disagree? Go to Mexico City for a week and see if you can survive the smog and dysentery caused by no oversight of clean air or safe foods.

Highways? Clearly created for national defense purposes.

Thanks for proving my point

[fj1200]

Yes Nixon.

There are probably thousands of laws that have not been challenged that are unconstitutional.
Do you really want me to give you a list,
I drove past the airport the other day... TSA

I think most of us are aware of youropinion of what is constitutional versus not.

EPA - Constitutional, or not? NOT
Highways- Constitutional, or not? hmm Not
FDA- Constitutional, or not? To be Frank umm it's Not.

The thing that's clear is that we have them now. And we think we'd be hard press to live without um.
But in any normal reading of the Constitution the Fed Gov't doesn't have any of those powers/authority.

If they are Constitutional give me the sections in the constitution where they come from.
I'll wait.

Commerce Clause.