Well done California!

[red states rule]

Speaking of advancing an agenda...how your opinion on what a state, other than your own, implements within its own borders affects you escapes me at the moment. You should be thanking California for sendin all those jobs to other states.

LR I hope the unemployed iN CA slppes so much better now that the libs took a giant step in solving the pressing problem of animal suffering

I am sure those who are about to lose their home will sleep better at the shelter knowing this issue has been resolved

The only problem with libs leaving CA is that the libs who flee CA and start their liberal crap in the new state they move to

Like a cancer, liberalism spreads throughout the body

[Noir]

Noir, it is a fact God put some animals on Earth to be pets - to be oved - to be spoiled

and other animals were put on Earth by God for FOOD

For some reason that fact escapses people like you as well as liberal do gooders who want to impose their beliefs on the rest via the legislature

Well done for not answering the question posed to you. Did you not reply by intention, or just forget to read my post before replying?

Shocking that I have to state this to an adult - but it is not a *fact* that god did anything, just an opinion. If this is the level at which you wish to debate, I'll not be bothering to reply further.

[red states rule]

Well done for not answering the question posed to you. Did you not reply by intention, or just forget to read my post before replying?

Shocking that I have to state this to an adult - but it is not a *fact* that god did anything, just an opinion. If this is the level at which you wish to debate, I'll not be bothering to reply further.

I did answer your questons about animals but I guess you are too busy looking down on people like me who call out libs on their worthles actions Noir

I know you hate people who believe in God and that is your right. Even in your country, people have the riught to act as stuipd and obnoxious as they want - but you do at times abuse the privilege

[Noir]

I did answer your questons about animals but I guess you are too busy looking down on people like me who call out libs on their worthles actions Noir

I know you hate people who believe in God and that is your right. Even in your country, people have the riught to act as stuipd and obnoxious as they want - but you do at times abuse the privilege

No, you spouted some nonsense about your gods meanings for animals, dispute the fact that there are Christains on this board, like Abbey, who would disagree with you on the fundamentals of what you know your god wants humans to do with animals.

And I don't hate people who believe in god, how ridiculous, what I do hate is people who are willfully ignorant. Which ofcorse includes anyone who states for a *fact* the existence or non-existence of god.

[red states rule]

No, you spouted some nonsense about your gods meanings for animals, dispute the fact that there are Christains on this board, like Abbey, who would disagree with you on the fundamentals of what you know your god wants humans to do with animals.

And I don't hate people who believe in god, how ridiculous, what I do hate is people who are willfully ignorant. Which ofcorse includes anyone who states for a *fact* the existence or non-existence of god.

Please go back and reread my post - and read slowly

You said I have cats and asked how I felt about animals being abused. I answered the question

Abbey and I agree to disagree on this issue. This is perhaps the first out of 100 issues we do not concur on

Noir, you have shown contempt for those who believe in God in many of your posts. You do look down on those people. I feel sorry for you and pray for your soul. You wil need it someday

And I thought you said this debate was over and you would not resond any further

[fj1200]

Please go back and reread my post - and read slowly

I don't think that's going to help like you think it will help.

[red states rule]

I don't think that's going to help like you think it will help.

True, I assume he can understand what he reads. I may be mistaken on that point

[fj1200]

True, I assume he can understand what he reads. I may be mistaken on that point

I have no doubt Noir understands what he reads.

[red states rule]

I have no doubt Noir understands what he reads.

If true, then he has a comprehension problem

[Kathianne]

I have no doubt Noir understands what he reads.

I agree, Noir along with a few others reads the links and posts that he chooses to respond to. I may not always agree with him, but he rarely posts nonsense or even just leftist points. We all know where his political leanings are, but he isn't married to them. Once in awhile he surprises me.

[fj1200]

If true, then he has a comprehension problem

I have no doubt Noir comprehends what he reads.

[Noir]

Please go back and reread my post - and read slowly

You said I have cats and asked how I felt about animals being abused. I answered the question

Abbey and I agree to disagree on this issue. This is perhaps the first out of 100 issues we do not concur on

Noir, you have shown contempt for those who believe in God in many of your posts. You do look down on those people. I feel sorry for you and pray for your soul. You wil need it someday

And I thought you said this debate was over and you would not resond any further

I assumed (embarrassingly) that I'd missed a post of yours that answered the questions I posted (like the one about your cats, or Jim's position relative you assumption of the 'true motives' behind the bill) but looking back I can see neither.

So your whole argument is based on the 'god given right to treat animals how you want'?

And I sit care about how many issues you and abbey agree on or don't, the point is we know that she, and Jim, and I have different areas at which we 'draw the line' when it comes to treatment of animals. To imply that the state is wrong to dare say there is a line at all is to say the same for individuals.

You're just creating a strawman, saying that if the state can define animal abuse then before long (or at least there intention is) it'll be impossible to buy/produce meat. Stupid argument is stupid.

[gabosaurus]

I suppose disgruntled Californians can move to rural Pennsylvania. Where are the truly stupid people reside. Providing they can fulfill the residency requirements of no advanced education, at least one inbred relative, pregnant teenage daughter or other illiterate children and minimum two cars up on blocks. Must reside in trailer with maximum value of $10,000.

[red states rule]

I suppose disgruntled Californians can move to rural Pennsylvania. Where are the truly stupid people reside. Providing they can fulfill the residency requirements of no advanced education, at least one inbred relative, pregnant teenage daughter or other illiterate children and minimum two cars up on blocks. Must reside in trailer with maximum value of $10,000.

Yes Gabby then those disgruntled Californians can move to another state, bring their liberal beliefs with them, elect like minded "smart" liberals, and drive their local town or even the state into bankruptcy like Stockton CA

BTW Gabby has the "smart" people of CA solved their $16 billion deficit yet?