Insulting of Religions

[jimnyc]

Everyone has had their faith mocked at one time or another, to various degrees. Even atheists get mocked for their POV's, even if theirs is more of a scientific belief. But what are these insults and how do we respond? How are we taught to respond? Does your holy book address the issue?

If someone denies Jesus as our saviour, is that in insult, and how does one respond? What if someone makes lame jokes about him, or depicts him in a manner to make fun of him? What is someone goes out of their way to mock the Holy Bible in the worst of ways? What if someone made cartoons of Jesus, and the Bible, and "God" to them? What if someone were to protest in front of a Church, or at the Vatican?

What if someone were to do the same to Jews? And makes fun of their Torah, or Jewish holidays? Or protested at a synagogue and carried "picket signs" with depictions of things insulting the Jewish faith?

What if someone insults Islam, or Muslims in general? What if someone verbally made jokes and insulted Muhammed? Or drew pictures of him making fun of him? Or picketed in front of a Mosque with signs containing insults and pictures of Muhammed?

How different are the responses? How much difference does it make in which part of the world you are from? Do any of the holy books address any of these topics?

There is so much animosity in religion. We even see it here on DP almost on a daily basis. And it certainly doesn't seem like any religion is free from some sort of scorn. It just seems like everyone has a different idea as to what is allowed to be done, what can and cannot be insulted. Is it freedom of speech to protest any religion, or is that determined by where the protest is taking place?

[aboutime]

Totally agree with you jimnyc. The only guide I use. No matter what anyone may say about my religion or theirs is. The FIRST Amendment of the Constitution is, and always will be my guide.
I will not YELL FIRE in a theater. But I WILL fight to the death to maintain my right to SAY what I want.

[gabosaurus]

I was never very concerned about religion or how people felt about it until my husband and I bought our current house and met the Muslim family who live across the street. They taught me a lot about the different levels that some societies regard religion.
There were way few religions in the U.S. where faith is a way of life. Even the most religious of Americans don't allow their faiths to dictate how the live their lives.

For many Muslims and Sikhs, religion is their life. That is why so many Islamic countries have a state religion. It's their way or the highway. You are either a Muslim or you don't live there. Or you are severely persecuted. Your faith determines how you live your life, 24/7.
In those countries, there is no separation of church and state. The church is the state. Religious leaders run the country. Religious laws are the country's laws.
This is why you see so many Muslim people emigrate to Western countries. They want a life outside of strict religious doctrine. But the get smeared with the same extremist tags that the more fanatical retain.
Americans have a lot of love for others. But some have an equal amount of hate for those they don't understand.

[Voted4Reagan]

As a Catholic (a Pro Choice Lax one at that) I never feel the need to come out and insult anyones religion.. I tolerate everyone..

If you want to worship a kitchen sink and call it the one tru faith by all means... go right ahead.

What I cant abide are those who say they are Atheists that feel it proper to condemn every belief system but their own...

The fact that they are so aggressive about it and try to convert people to their train of thought makes me wonder one thing...

Has Atheism become the newest religion to promote Proselytism?

certainly seems they want to convert folks to their opinion....

by Definition,,,,,

Proselytizing ( /ˈprɒsɨlɨtaɪzɨŋ/) is the act of attempting to convert people to another opinion and, particularly, another religion. The word proselytize is derived ultimately from the Greek language prefix προσ- (toward) and the verb ἔρχομαι (to come) in the form of προσήλυτος (a new comer).[1] Historically in the Koine Greek Septuagint and New Testament, the word proselyte denoted a gentile who was considering conversion to Judaism. Though the word proselytism originally referred to Early Christianity (and earlier Gentiles), it now refers to any religions' or religious individuals' attempts to convert people to their beliefs or even any attempt to convert people to another point of view, religious or not.

by definition they are guilty of the same transgressions they accuse the major religions of the world of....

but they can do what they like... I just find it hypocritical....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I was never very concerned about religion or how people felt about it until my husband and I bought our current house and met the Muslim family who live across the street. They taught me a lot about the different levels that some societies regard religion.
There were way few religions in the U.S. where faith is a way of life. Even the most religious of Americans don't allow their faiths to dictate how the live their lives.

For many Muslims and Sikhs, religion is their life. That is why so many Islamic countries have a state religion. It's their way or the highway. You are either a Muslim or you don't live there. Or you are severely persecuted. Your faith determines how you live your life, 24/7.
In those countries, there is no separation of church and state. The church is the state. Religious leaders run the country. Religious laws are the country's laws.
This is why you see so many Muslim people emigrate to Western countries. They want a life outside of strict religious doctrine. But the get smeared with the same extremist tags that the more fanatical retain.
Americans have a lot of love for others. But some have an equal amount of hate for those they don't understand.

Bull, we understand them all too well. Bully for you that you have muslim neighbors that havent cut your head off, (yet)! Let thier mosque and top dog mullah give 'em the word and you are likely to be without a head to rest your pillow under. Your knowledge about Islam's brutally violent history and current worldwide campaign to subjegate all to Allah's tyranny is pathetic IMHO. It is much like the foolish guy that has found the local pretty whore and thinks that she sets the moon because he only sees what he wants to see! Reality always bites him in the ass but in your case perhaps you's think thats just fine and would happily go along with them instead of your fellow American citizens that do not want to be dead or slaves to Allah! Which are the only two choices the socalled Relgion of Peace offers. Your goofyness is that because it hasnt happened here yet its never going to be tried here. Why, do you think they honor us so much as to think that we ALONE should be above their Allah!?? They only honor ALLAH...WE INFIDELS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE NO MORE THAN ANIMALS TO BE SLAUGHTERED IF WE DO NOT YIELD..-Tyr

[aboutime]

Take a look at this video:

[jafar00]

So Tyr and aboutime, when will we see you two in the news after gunning down innocent people because you have driven yourselves insane with your hate?

[gabosaurus]

So Tyr and aboutime, when will we see you two in the news after gunning down innocent people because you have driven yourselves insane with your hate?

I doubt any of these guys will ever take up weapons. There weapon of choice is unfiltered hate hidden behind anonymous names on a message board. They are cowards who bring dishonor to their country through false patriotism and idiocy. These people are a primary reason why so many foreigners dislike Americans. They see Americans as the hate spewing redneck gun crazy stereotype that these members embody.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I doubt any of these guys will ever take up weapons. There weapon of choice is unfiltered hate hidden behind anonymous names on a message board. They are cowards who bring dishonor to their country through false patriotism and idiocy. These people are a primary reason why so many foreigners dislike Americans. They see Americans as the hate spewing redneck gun crazy stereotype that these members embody.

Amazing how we "spewing redneck gun crazy" two guys just got you to reveal so much more of your true self!
So all that openly admit to being patriots are cowards or is just those that point out your bullshit?
Foreigners dislike Americans primarily due to thier jealousy of all that we have here while they grovel to kiss ass for thier socialist government hand outs genius. Obama is currently trying to engineer that ass kissing inducing reign of government hand outs here which you in your liberal ignorance cheer on as marvelous enlightenment! You that ignorantly praise the Islamists that have as thier fondest wish to force all Americans to be slaves to thier religion dare to call others unpatriotic! Katy bar the door the jackass has arrived to preach on liberal enlightenment and muslim love to we foolish hatefilled peasants!
Could you be any more deluded and muslim awestruck foolish???? Climbing into the pit with the crocodile that will eat you because you fancy its big tail and marvel at the smoothness of its scales! ----Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So Tyr and aboutime, when will we see you two in the news after gunning down innocent people because you have driven yourselves insane with your hate?

Hey bub, if I ever gun down anybody you can bet your damn favorite prayer rug and camel that they weren't innocent by any stretch of the imagination and richly deserved every piece of hot lead that I placed into thier miserable body. As I'll only shoot in self defense and/or defense of my country. I'm sure that truth is hate to you as it is too all muslims IMHO.
Im betting that long before that ever happens you will long be stark raving mad with hate for my never ending parade of truth about Islam and its true agenda! -Tyr

[SassyLady]

I doubt any of these guys will ever take up weapons. There weapon of choice is unfiltered hate hidden behind anonymous names on a message board. They are cowards who bring dishonor to their country through false patriotism and idiocy. These people are a primary reason why so many foreigners dislike Americans. They see Americans as the hate spewing redneck gun crazy stereotype that these members embody.

Gabby, I think you need to revisit DU ...one of the most hate-filled places I've ever visited. Those type of people, who think they are intellectually and morally superior to their own countrymen, much less the rest of the world, are why foreigners dislike Americans.

[jafar00]

Foreigners dislike Americans primarily due to thier jealousy of all that we have here while they grovel to kiss ass for thier socialist government hand outs genius.

Actually we dislike some of you because you are hate filled, loud mouthed rednecks. Thankfully I know that there are not that many of you and your bile has little to no support among most Americans.

And there is nothing wrong with a little patriotism, but when that leads to a superiority complex, it's time to call in the shrink.

Hey bub, if I ever gun down anybody you can bet your damn favorite prayer rug and camel that they weren't innocent by any stretch of the imagination and richly deserved every piece of hot lead that I placed into thier miserable body. As I'll only shoot in self defense and/or defense of my country. I'm sure that truth is hate to you as it is too all muslims IMHO.
Im betting that long before that ever happens you will long be stark raving mad with hate for my never ending parade of truth about Islam and its true agenda! -Tyr

I don't hate you Tyr. I just disagree with you 99% of the time

BTW I don't have a camel, but I am looking forward to eating my Mother in Law's famous Camel Kofta kebabs in a few days when I arrive in Cairo. Delicious!

[jimnyc]

Should have known this would quickly go into a shitfest between members as opposed to staying with general comments.

Anyway....

How many religions actually have it written to assault or kill people that insult their good book or leaders/gods/prophets? And how many in this day and age still subscribe to that level of violence?

[red state]

jafar wrote:
Actually we dislike some of you because you are hate filled, loud mouthed rednecks. Thankfully I know that there are not that many of you and your bile has little to no support among most Americans.



You actually hit the nail on the head with that statement of hating us because we're loud mouthed rednecks. What upsets most of the world is that WE THE PEOPLE can still voice our opinion and you'll get your @$$ kicked if you try and shut us up. It is a FACT that muSLUMs, migrate to other countries to "infiltrate", "indoctrinate" and "dictate". It is usually weak countries such as Australia, Britain, France and Canada who were (at one time) free nations but chose to roll over to the liberal filth that wants everyone to tolerate others when they and their muslum "friendos" don't have an ounce of tolerance.

As for you disagreeing with Tyr...that is a compliment to him and a relief to me and others who still believe in FREEDOM and the worth while effort to retain such freedoms. You can roll over if you like and pucker up but we "REDNECKS" don't play that game!

[aboutime]

Hey bub, if I ever gun down anybody you can bet your damn favorite prayer rug and camel that they weren't innocent by any stretch of the imagination and richly deserved every piece of hot lead that I placed into thier miserable body. As I'll only shoot in self defense and/or defense of my country. I'm sure that truth is hate to you as it is too all muslims IMHO.
Im betting that long before that ever happens you will long be stark raving mad with hate for my never ending parade of truth about Islam and its true agenda! -Tyr

Tyr. How predictable can someone like jafar be?
According to his so-called standards here in using name calling to demonstrate his low educational background.
He is telling us that he expects us to lower ourselves to his level, in following his loyalty to that Religion of Peace
he claims would never do...as he suggests.
Jafar needs to express his endless hatred here.
Using the name calling is just more of the typical techniques used by liberal hate mongers.
First they insult in their own way. Then, when someone doesn't just bow down to their demands.
They reach into their hate filled bag of tricks. Much like Obama has, and is doing every time he attempts to divide this nation all the more.
Jafar is nothing but a mouthpiece of hatred.
Disguised as a Loving, Tolerant Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
Something we all recognize as a member of the Taliban, or the Muslim Brotherhood.
The first strike is always the claim of Racism designed to QUELL, or CEASE all further discussions designed to make us feel bad at being labeled Racists.
Problem is. THAT SHOE is now on the other foot for them.
And they have nothing else but Hatred to use in destroying themselves.