Al Qaeda in Syria??

[jafar00]

So what exactly are our interest in Syria and Libya then?

Libya has oil. Syria is next to Israel

[jimnyc]

Libya has oil. Syria is next to Israel

Make the connection then. Show us how the USA has benefited from the oil in Libya. If you so easily make that claim, then it should be easy to show us how you came to that determination.

[Gaffer]

and you could add that the Vietnamese helped us in WWII and then we turned on them.

That's only true of the democrat congress and ted kennedy.

[Gaffer]

So how is it in our best interest to fund/train/support/arm AlQadea in Syria AND Libya at this time?




"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests."
Henry Kissinger

So what exactly are our interest in Syria and Libya then?

We are not supporting AQ in syria or libya as far as I have been able to determine. Now barely the president may be doing so because he's a muslim lover. It's not in our nations interest to support them, but it may be in his interest.

[Dilloduck]

So how is it in our best interest to fund/train/support/arm AlQadea in Syria AND Libya at this time?




"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests."
Henry Kissinger

So what exactly are our interest in Syria and Libya then?

What else? We gotta protect Israel again.

[Dilloduck]

That's only true of the democrat congress and ted kennedy.

Hell we turned them back over to the French after WWII.

[Drummond]

Old saying comes to mid.
Best enemies money can buy.


Didn't we U.S. NATO create the Taliban and Alqadea AKA "the Database" in the 1st place?
I'm reading somethings now about how we even created/backed the early muslim brotherhood in an attempt to weaken various Arab secular nationalist long ago.

what's wrong with this picture folks?
Is it a mistake or is it on purpose that we keep FUNDING and TRAINING terrorist over and over and over again?

What's wrong with this picture, revelarts, is that you're supplying highly inaccurate information.

Al Qaeda is a terrorist organisation. It always HAS been a terrorist organisation. What I believe you're referring to as Al Qaeda, mistakenly, was 'The Mujahiddeen', then a resistance movement against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, most active in the early Eighties. Al Qaeda, revelarts, didn't EXIST until (depending on which source you quote from) 1988 or 1989 !!

The US assisted the Mujahiddeen. It has NEVER, to my understanding, assisted Al Qaeda .. why would it ? If Al Qaeda ever used materials left over from the PREVIOUS organisation, this is not something the US ever intended.

See, for example ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1670089.stm

Al-Qaeda, meaning "the base", was created in 1989 as Soviet forces withdrew from Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden and his colleagues began looking for new jihads.

The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism.

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.

The "Arab Afghans", as they became known, were battle-hardened and highly motivated.

In the early 1990s Al-Qaeda operated in Sudan. After 1996 its headquarters and about a dozen training camps moved to Afghanistan, where Bin Laden forged a close relationship with the Taleban.

The US campaign in Afghanistan starting in late 2001 dispersed the organisation and drove it underground as its personnel were attacked and its bases and training camps destroyed.

Revelarts, I've seen blame-game tactics used by the Left before, its only obvious purpose being to demoralise good Western intentions and therefore cause unfounded caution (at minimum) in the minds of those who'd otherwise want to act decisively. The US, revelarts, is responsible for nothing about Al Qaeda, other than how far it will go to defeat them .. their plans, their effectiveness, ultimately their very existence.

[Drummond]

and you could add that the Vietnamese helped us in WWII and then we turned on them.

In case you've forgotten, the Soviet Union was on the Allied side for most of WWII (.. or is that ALL of it, from the US point of view ?). Now, by your reckoning, should the US go off on one almighty guilt trip because it ever engaged in a Cold War afterwards ?

Perhaps you'd argue that Communist forces have never been America's enemy ? That Communists should never have been opposed ??

[Gaffer]

Hell we turned them back over to the French after WWII.

The French tried to take back their original colony. The US had no say in that. It was a UN thing. Countries and territories that had been conquered during the war were given their sovereignty back or returned to their previous status except those over run by the USSR. That's how the cold war came into being.

[revelarts]

Former head of the CIA Bin Laden Unit says Alqadea Islamist on the rise BECUASE we support "democracy" in the M.E. and we Meddle in there biz.


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[Dilloduck]

In case you've forgotten, the Soviet Union was on the Allied side for most of WWII (.. or is that ALL of it, from the US point of view ?). Now, by your reckoning, should the US go off on one almighty guilt trip because it ever engaged in a Cold War afterwards ?

Perhaps you'd argue that Communist forces have never been America's enemy ? That Communists should never have been opposed ??

In case you didn't read the thread, Gaffer already mentioned that we helped Russia in WWII and they turned against us. The Russians were far more of an enemy of Hitler than an ally of ours. They were screwing us and reneging on agreemnets before the war even ended.

[Dilloduck]

The French tried to take back their original colony. The US had no say in that. It was a UN thing. Countries and territories that had been conquered during the war were given their sovereignty back or returned to their previous status except those over run by the USSR. That's how the cold war came into being.

http://www.cvce.eu/viewer/-/content/...72fc7669d96/en

LOL What were the French going to do to America if we had acknowledged Ho Chi Minh's assistance by recognizing their independence ? They got screwed as surely as Poland did.

[fj1200]

http://www.cvce.eu/viewer/-/content/...72fc7669d96/en

LOL What were the French going to do to America if we had acknowledged Ho Chi Minh's assistance by recognizing their independence ? They got screwed as surely as Poland did.

Saw an interesting bit last night on PBS that had Ho Chi Minh in Paris in 1919? to try and meet with Wilson and get his support in gaining independence back then. Unfortunately Wilson backtracked to appeasing the French, and others, in supporting their insistence on recolonizing. We worked with Ho during WWII against the Japanese but ultimately left them to the French and drove him further, completely?, towards the USSR.

[Dilloduck]

Saw an interesting bit last night on PBS that had Ho Chi Minh in Paris in 1919? to try and meet with Wilson and get his support in gaining independence back then. Unfortunately Wilson backtracked to appeasing the French, and others, in supporting their insistence on recolonizing. We worked with Ho during WWII against the Japanese but ultimately left them to the French and drove him further, completely?, towards the USSR.

Thanks--i'm going to look into that further. I'm sure they were hoping the Atlantic Charter would come into play for them too but upon rejection by America and with France trying to beat them into submission again it doesn't come as much of a surprise that they looked to the communists for help.

[Gaffer]

Former head of the CIA Bin Laden Unit says Alqadea Islamist on the rise BECUASE we support "democracy" in the M.E. and we Meddle in there biz.


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The problem is they are creating a democracy of the ignorant, headed up by theologians. Rule by mob. The left thinks they can gain from this, when all they are doing is setting up the next dictator. They learned nothing from iran. They are using the same method in all the other ME countries and are getting the same results. Theocratic dictatorships.