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    Default Julian Assange (WikiLeaks) granted asylum

    It's a foreign news story (to most of the people here ..) ... though becoming a major one on this side of the Pond.

    It might be of interest, partly because of all the damage Assange tried to do with 'Wikileaks' to both our countries' reputations, but also because the current situation puts our authorities in a bit of a bind ... see ...

    http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/assange-gr...t-happens-now/


    Shortly after 1.30pm on Thursday, Ecuador announced that it had granted political asylum to Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder wanted by Sweden to face questioning over alleged sex offences.

    Twenty minutes later, the UK foreign office responded by restating its threat to extract Assange from the Ecuadorean embassy in London, where he has been living since seeking refuge eight weeks ago.

    Ecuador has requested that Assange be given safe passage out of the embassy, while the UK has said it will arrest him as soon as he sets foot outside the building.

    So what happens now?

    Here are four possible outcomes:

    1) Julian Assange is allowed to travel to Ecuador, after a diplomatic settlement is reached between the UK and Ecuadorian governments

    At the time of writing, this seems unlikely.

    Both countries are taking an uncompromising stance. "The British authorities are under a binding obligation to extradite [Julian Assange] to Sweden," said a foreign office spokesman on Thursday. "We shall carry out that obligation. The Ecuadorian government's decision this afternoon does not change that."

    In return, Ecuador has accused the UK of making an "open threat" by insisting on its right to enter the country's embassy to arrest Mr Assange.

    In its statement granting Mr Assange asylum, the country said: "We can state that there is a risk that [Assange] will be persecuted politically... We trust the UK will offer the necessary guarantees so that both governments can act adequately and properly respect international rights and the right of asylum. We also trust the excellent relationship the two countries have will continue."

    2) Julian Assange manages to escape the embassy and travel to Ecuador

    This would be a very dramatic conclusion to the affair, and one that would cause great embarrassment to the UK government.

    Officers from the Metropolitan Police are waiting outside the embassy, and would presumably try and catch him if they saw him trying to escape.

    However if Mr Assange made it into a diplomatic car, legally he is protected. Diplomatic cars enjoy protection in international law from "search, requisition, attachment and execution". So while police could stop the car, they would not have the power to search it for Mr Assange.

    The next issue would arise if and when the car reached an airport. The moment Mr Assange left the car, he would be liable for arrest. Somehow the car would need to drive directly into an aircraft, presumably of a military kind, that would then need to take off before any authorities were able to get on board.

    An alternative scenario would involve Mr Assange somehow being smuggled out of the embassy, perhaps in some kind of crate or trunk. But UK authorities would be able to impound such an object were they convinced that Mr Assange was inside.

    3) Julian Assange decides to give himself up to the UK authorities

    Having spent eight weeks living in the Ecuadorian embassy, Mr Assange may simply decide that he has had enough and is happy to face the judicial process of extradition.

    At the moment, this seems unlikely.

    On hearing the news, Mr Assange reportedly said: "It is a significant victory for myself, and my people. Things will probably get more stressful now.

    He released a statement later on Thursday afternoon, implying that he is far from admitting defeat:

    "I am grateful to the Ecuadorian people, President Rafael Correa and his government. It was not Britain or my home country, Australia, that stood up to protect me from persecution, but a courageous, independent Latin American nation. While today is a historic victory, our struggles have just begun. The unprecedented US investigation against WikiLeaks must be stopped.

    While today much of the focus will be on the decision of the Ecuadorian government, it is just as important that we remember Bradley Manning has been detained without trial for over 800 days. The task of protecting WikiLeaks, its staff, its supporters and its alleged sources continues."

    It's worth noting that Mr Assange has not been charged with anything in Sweden and is only wanted for questioning regarding alleged offences. He has said he fears extradition from Sweden to the US, where he believes he might be found guilty of espionage and be sentenced to death. But no such extradition has been requested by the US, and both Sweden and the UK are prohibited by the European Convention of Human Rights from extraditing anyone who might face the death penalty.

    4) The UK government enters the Ecuadorian embassy and forcibly removes Julian Assange for arrest

    The UK foreign office has already insisted on its right to enter the embassy, citing the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987. This legislation gives the UK government the power to revoke an embassy's diplomatic status and hence allow police to enter the building unimpeded. But to do this, it would have to give seven days' notice.

    However even if the UK government did decide to forcibly remove Mr Assange from the embassy, its actions could be contested in court. Ecuador could challenge the UK's decision to revoke its embassy's status. The UK government would have to argue successfully that the embassy, by harbouring Mr Assange, had broken international law and therefore the UK had the right to take action.

    There is an earlier piece of legislation, the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which specifies that local police and security forces are not permitted to enter an embassy unless they have the express permission of the ambassador - even though the embassy remains the territory of the host nation.

    But the convention also states that embassies must respect local laws and, in no circumstances, interfere in the host nation's internal affairs.

    It might therefore come down to who can make the most persuasive case in the High Court over the correct application of the 1961 convention.

    Whatever the resolution, it could set a precedent that affects the status of embassies around the world in countries far less tolerant than the United Kingdom.
    I've seen a report which says William Hague pledges to NOT permit Assange safe passage out of the UK ... so, we have an interesting situation brewing ...
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    I hope he gets raped by an unhinged fat Ecuadorian transvestite.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I hope he gets raped by an unhinged fat Ecuadorian transvestite.


    Maybe the British Government would pay one to give it a go .. ? It's obviously one solution, IF it meant Assange left the protection of the Embassy grounds ...
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Firstly - Good. I don't know how many of you have read the case for him to be deported, but it's the biggest pile of tosh. One can only assume that it's political pressure that's given it such power. Which would be a very bad state of affairs.

    A state if affairs that could only be made worse if the Brits rescind diplomatic immunity and storm the embassy...

    And as an aside - it was my mum, who's a Legal Executive (and no fan of the things Assange has done regarding wikileaks, as she thinks it's endangered troops) who walked me through the judgements, and just how bad the case was for having him deported, yet it somehow was upheld.
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    I would guess option #1 will be the likely outcome.
    5+ years from now Assange will have some sort of "accident" that results in his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Firstly - Good. I don't know how many of you have read the case for him to be deported, but it's the biggest pile of tosh. One can only assume that it's political pressure that's given it such power. Which would be a very bad state of affairs.

    A state if affairs that could only be made worse if the Brits rescind diplomatic immunity and storm the embassy...

    And as an aside - it was my mum, who's a Legal Executive (and no fan of the things Assange has done regarding wikileaks, as she thinks it's endangered troops) who walked me through the judgements, and just how bad the case was for having him deported, yet it somehow was upheld.
    Noir, where are you going with this ? Are you trying to say that Assange is some type of VICTIM ??

    This is a maniac who, for the sake of sensationalism (and maybe also to pursue some anti-Westernism ?) decided to take it upon himself to release material that was never meant for public consumption, material with such damaging potential that lives were put in danger.

    So I cannot see why we have any 'duty' to care about HIS welfare !! Assange chose his path, and in so taking it, he intruded in the matter of international balances to such an extent that he proved he had a contempt for others.

    Assange is a parasite. Let him face justice as is required of him.

    And consider, Noir, that if Swedish sex charges against Assange really are 'trumped up', he could go there and have his day in court .. maybe even win court damages. BUT, instead, he's twisted and turned, evaded, kept away from his accusers - preferring to hole up in an Ecuadorian embassy, seeking and getting political asylum, rather than face his accusers !!

    Do you see nothing wrong with that picture, Noir ?

    Finally, consider that the Ecuadorian President - from what I've recently read - is anti-American, as Assange himself surely is. And as for the unholy alliance Assange has with a certain Marxist anti-American reporter called John Pilger, with Pilger having supported Assange in his efforts .. maybe the less said the better ?

    So don't waste your sympathy. That's my advice.
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    Have you read the judgements Drummond? Take the personality out of it, and read them within a 'blind' legal context.

    Also, it's is quite clear that if he goes to Sweden of his free will, he will be extradited to America.
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    The good news is, the UK officials aren't letting him just leave for Ecuador. They have apparently surrounded the building and arrest him if he attempts to leave. He may not like the charges against him, not many people do, but no matter how ridiculous they sound to some, he needs to answer to them. You would think that the more ridiculous they sound to some, the quicker he'll be in an out of court with a decent lawyer. No matter how flimsy the charges one thinks they are against them, they still need to answer to them. If the case against him is a "pile of tosh", and will most certainly be recorded/aired/monitored by the entire world, then he has nothing to fear.

    Julian Assange asylum offer leads Ecuador and UK into diplomatic row

    William Hague insists WikiLeaks founder will not be allowed to leave country in his bid to escape extradition to Sweden

    A major diplomatic row over the fate of the fugitive Julian Assange erupted after the WikiLeaks founder was offered political asylum by Ecuador to escape extradition from Britain over allegations of serious sexual assaults.

    The foreign secretary, William Hague, responded by warning the Ecuadorean government that diplomatic immunity should not be used to harbour alleged criminals. He said Assange would be arrested if he leaves the embassy in London where he has lived for nearly two months.

    Ecuador's decision has also angered the Swedish authorities, who wish to question Assange and the two women who claim he assaulted them during a trip to the country in 2010. Assange denies the assault claims and says he fears being sent on to the United States where he could face political persecution for releasing thousands of secret US cables.

    The standoff will escalate tensions between the two countries over the fate of Assange, who has skipped bail while awaiting removal from the UK. It follows allegations from Ecuador that the British government has threatened to storm the embassy to seize Assange. Diplomatic posts are often considered the territory of the foreign nation.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...lum-uk-ecuador
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc
    The good news is, the UK officials aren't letting him just leave for Ecuador. They have apparently surrounded the building and arrest him if he attempts to leave. He may not like the charges against him, not many people do, but no matter how ridiculous they sound to some, he needs to answer to them. You would think that the more ridiculous they sound to some, the quicker he'll be in an out of court with a decent lawyer. No matter how flimsy the charges one thinks they are against them, they still need to answer to them. If the case against him is a "pile of tosh", and will most certainly be recorded/aired/monitored by the entire world, then he has nothing to fear.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...lum-uk-ecuador
    The charges are a front to get him to Sweeden, once there he can be deported to America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Have you read the judgements Drummond? Take the personality out of it, and read them within a 'blind' legal context.

    Also, it's is quite clear that if he goes to Sweden of his free will, he will be extradited to America.
    I honestly don't know UK law, but can you show us in the law where it allows someone to avoid trial with a decent lawyer, just because they think the charges are trumped up? And do these laws exist in Sweden too? Here in the US, no matter how crappy it all seems, the court of law will straighten it out and determine right from wrong - not the individual.

    And if he does get extradited, it will only be under the rule of law. If he qualifies to be extradited to Sweden, he should be sent there. If Sweden has a treaty with the US, and he qualifies to be extradited, he should be sent. If it's SO trivial to so many, it will be easily shown in court and he'll be a free man very quickly.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Have you read the judgements Drummond? Take the personality out of it, and read them within a 'blind' legal context.

    Also, it's is quite clear that if he goes to Sweden of his free will, he will be extradited to America.
    OK, so your sympathy for Assange is established .. so noted.

    But tell me this. If you're correct, and Assange had successful extradition to America to look forward to, after going to Sweden ... well, what of it ?

    What has he to fear from extradition ? CONSEQUENCES ... maybe, for HIS ACTIONS ?

    Could it just be .... THAT JUSTICE WILL CATCH UP TO HIM, AT LONG LAST ???

    I'm strongly in favour of Assange being fully culpable for all he's done, for all his wrecking activities, all his harm. So tell me, aren't YOU ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    The charges are a front to get him to Sweeden, once there he can be deported to America.
    Then any reasonable court wouldn't call for an extradition of the charges don't call for it. And even so, maybe he should just come straight to America then, we have many awesome lawyers here, some who would probably even defend him for free just for the notoriety. They'll get the notoriety and he'll see a jail cell. If you don't believe that, that's cool, many differ on this subject, but he doesn't get to play make believe mafia and just disappear off the radar to avoid answering to charges.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    I'm strongly in favour of Assange being fully culpable for all he's done, for all his wrecking activities, all his harm. So tell me, aren't YOU ?
    Noir, as well as many like him in the states, see no wrongdoing by Assange and his organization releasing confidential and stolen state secrets. They rather him as one who "fights the man" and is a hero to many.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I honestly don't know UK law, but can you show us in the law where it allows someone to avoid trial with a decent lawyer, just because they think the charges are trumped up? And do these laws exist in Sweden too? Here in the US, no matter how crappy it all seems, the court of law will straighten it out and determine right from wrong - not the individual.

    And if he does get extradited, it will only be under the rule of law. If he qualifies to be extradited to Sweden, he should be sent there. If Sweden has a treaty with the US, and he qualifies to be extradited, he should be sent. If it's SO trivial to so many, it will be easily shown in court and he'll be a free man very quickly.
    Quite.

    See ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange...dition_hearing

    Extradition hearing The extradition hearing took place on 7–8 and 11 February 2011 before the City of Westminster Magistrates' Court sitting at Belmarsh Magistrates' Court in London.[42][43] Assange's lawyers at the extradition hearing were Geoffrey Robertson QC and Mark Stephens (solicitor), human rights specialists, and the prosecution was represented by a team led by Clare Montgomery QC.[44] Arguments were presented as to whether the Swedish prosecutor had the authority to issue a European Arrest Warrant, the extradition was requested for prosecution or interrogation, the alleged crimes qualified as extradition crimes, there was an abuse of process, his human rights would be respected, and he would receive a fair trial if extradited to Sweden.

    Extradition decision The outcome of the hearing was announced on 24 February 2011, when the extradition warrant was upheld.[33][45][46] Senior District Judge Howard Riddle found against Assange on each of the main arguments against his extradition.[47] The judge said "as a matter of fact, and looking at all the circumstances in the round, this person (Mr Assange) passes the threshold of being an accused person and is wanted for prosecution."[47] Judge Riddle concluded: "I am satisfied that the specified offences are extradition offences."[47]

    Assange commented after the decision to extradite him, saying "It comes as no surprise but is nevertheless wrong. It comes as the result of a European arrest warrant system run amok."[48]

    Appeal to the High Court On 2 March 2011, Assange's lawyers lodged an appeal with the High Court challenging the decision to extradite him to Sweden.[49] Assange remained on conditional bail.[49][50] The appeal hearing took place on 12 and 13 July 2011 at the High Court in London. The judges' decision was reserved, and a written judgment was delivered on 2 November 2011, dismissing the appeal.[51][52][53][54]

    Appeal to the Supreme Court The High Court refused permission to appeal to the Supreme Court, but this was granted by the Supreme Court itself, after the High Court certified that a point of law of general public importance was involved in its decision. The point of law certified was whether a prosecutor is a judicial authority. The Supreme Court heard the appeal on 1 and 2 February 2012.[3] The court reserved its judgment,[55] and dismissed the appeal by a 5-2 majority on 30 May 2012.[56][4]
    Assange has exhausted every legal avenue to fight extradition to Sweden, as after all, 'he is an innocent man with nothing to fear ..' ... !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Noir, as well as many like him in the states, see no wrongdoing by Assange and his organization releasing confidential and stolen state secrets. They rather him as one who "fights the man" and is a hero to many.
    -- Which in my view is disgusting.

    Had Assange been American, his actions would surely mean he'd be facing treason charges, for threatening (the exact extent to be determined in a trial) the welfare of America, its interests, its citizens. You just can't have a status quo where state secrets are disseminated to anyone you feel like releasing them to !!!

    But then, the Left must love him.
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