Sharia law: A threat to our Constitution, yes or no?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.valleyfamilyforum.org/ind...stitution.html

Shariah Law: A Threat to the U.S. Constitution

One need look no further than Saudi Arabia's well-documented, appalling record of human right abuses and their oppression of women, to see that Sharia Law directly opposes the principles and ideals stated in the United States Constitution: Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness.

Sharia Law strips the people of the right to elect their own leaders, installing a select group of religious leaders who reign supreme over all. This select ruling group appoints, establishes, and controls the network of judges; makes all laws; defines harsh punishments for every infraction; and enforces its will through the use of "religious police".

Specifically, Sharia Law in any capacity violates the First Amendment to the Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...". Moreover, it violently stifles any opposition, whether that be in speech, in the press, or public demonstration. Under Sharia Law, there is no such thing as petitioning the government for "redress of grievances"(First Amendment to the Constitution). To do so would be suicide.
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Sharia law stands in direct opposition to our Constitution yet muslims recently gathered in Charlotte NC to protest recent anti-Sharia laws being passed here in America! As if we MUST allow destruction of our Constitution by this religious insanity! Who are these vermin that think that their insane garbage should be allowed to destroy our lives, our culture and our nation!!?? Folks, wake up soon or you may just wake up with your head on a muslim chopping block!-Tyr

[gabosaurus]

Our country doesn't practice Sharia law. Nor do we accept it.
So how does it threaten our constitution?

Your extreme right wing blogger is grasping at straws (again).

[jimnyc]

Our country doesn't practice Sharia law. Nor do we accept it.
So how does it threaten our constitution?

Your extreme right wing blogger is grasping at straws (again).

I think it's clear actually. Many, many Muslims feel that they should be able to resolve disputes based on their own laws instead of the laws of the country they reside in. If you haven't seen the tons of stories, then you are out of touch and naive. Do I think they'll be successful in altering our COTUS in favor of Shariah? Nope. But there are already instances of Muslims handling matters themselves, based on Islamic law, and avoiding our courts. They need to understand, that if they live on our soil, they need to adhere to our laws.

If they had their way, they would have large areas (like Indian reservations) and have their own societies and legal systems. Not gonna happen, but that doesn't mean that they won't try.

[red states rule]

Our country doesn't practice Sharia law. Nor do we accept it.
So how does it threaten our constitution?

Your extreme right wing blogger is grasping at straws (again).

Gabby I never thought the Federal government would take over private companies, ignore set Bankruptcy laws, force citizens to buy a product/service under the threat of fines and jail

So do not dismiss this so easily

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We already have cases of American liberal judges consulting Sharia law to render verdicts. Also those same azzhat judges consulting foreign laws to render verdicts when the oath that they swore was based upon Constitutional considerations as the foundation to be considered when the Rule of Law is not so easily settled in a case.
Now we have muslims active in politics demanding that Sharia Law be allowed here! With leftists/libs joining in to cater to them! This was exactly how it started in Britain and looked how FUBAR that place has become! Dont be so quick to claim that it can not happen here! It can and will if we do not vigorously and absolutely oppose it!-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

It's only a threat to our constitution if those obligated to defend it ignore the threat. Then impeachment would be in order.

[jimnyc]

It's only a threat to our constitution if those obligated to defend it ignore the threat. Then impeachment would be in order.

I agree with that. But how much is over the line? What if they use Shariah line of thinking but American law to render a verdict? For example, a judge saying "I can see based on Shariah law, how this type of action can be so insulting" and then renders a guilty verdict on a charge of harassment. And if no Muslim in the case, and it's just one guy insulting another guy, it most likely wouldn't rise to the level of a criminal offense. Of course they are made up scenarios. But what about a judge even taking other law into account when coming up with verdicts?

[Dilloduck]

I agree with that. But how much is over the line? What if they use Shariah line of thinking but American law to render a verdict? For example, a judge saying "I can see based on Shariah law, how this type of action can be so insulting" and then renders a guilty verdict on a charge of harassment. And if no Muslim in the case, and it's just one guy insulting another guy, it most likely wouldn't rise to the level of a criminal offense. Of course they are made up scenarios. But what about a judge even taking other law into account when coming up with verdicts?

Judges can already base their rulings on what they "think" is right. That's why we have appellate courts. If they actually act in opposition to the Constitution, they need to be impeached. Our judicial system will have to be our first line of defense.

[jafar00]

Aside from the fact that the article is full of lies about Sharia, the US doesn't knowingly ascribe to any principles of Sharia law so the entire article is just more islamophobic BS. We eat babies too you know.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Aside from the fact that the article is full of lies about Sharia, the US doesn't knowingly ascribe to any principles of Sharia law so the entire article is just more islamophobic BS. We eat babies too you know.

Islamophobia is the BS in your comment . Seeing Islam and Sharia law for the threat they are is wise and prudent thinking . Turninga blind eye is what you guys want, demand and even buy by propaganda campaigns in many nations. America will ot be so easily shafted as are other nations. We have real patriots here and lots of ex-military that are well trained with weapons. Islam here will first try to gain its strength and footholds thru political activities.
If we can keep the leftist traitors and liberal asshat dupes from giving away our rights by way of legislation we will defeat Islam without much bloodshed, otherwise there is likely a lot of shocked carpet players going to find out the hard way that Allah has zero power over a free man with convictions, survival as his cause and a good rifle! -TZS

[logroller]

Islamophobia is the BS in your comment . Seeing Islam and Sharia law for the threat they are is wise and prudent thinking . Turninga blind eye is what you guys want, demand and even buy by propaganda campaigns in many nations. America will ot be so easily shafted as are other nations. We have real patriots here and lots of ex-military that are well trained with weapons. Islam here will first try to gain its strength and footholds thru political activities.
If we can keep the leftist traitors and liberal asshat dupes from giving away our rights by way of legislation we will defeat Islam without much bloodshed, otherwise there is likely a lot of shocked carpet players going to find out the hard way that Allah has zero power over a free man with convictions, survival as his cause and a good rifle! -TZS

More rabblerousing, color me NOT surprised. You talk a big game; doubtful you back it up. I'm not saying you're a pussy or coward or anything; just that every person Ive ever known to be a man of action had very little to say beforehand. George Washington, for example, didn't sign the declaration of independence.

[Kathianne]

More rabblerousing, color me NOT surprised. You talk a big game; doubtful you back it up. I'm not saying you're a pussy or coward or anything; just that every person Ive ever known to be a man of action had very little to say beforehand. George Washington, for example, didn't sign the declaration of independence.

Why didn't he sign the Declaration, in your opinion? History gives an explanation, you seem to be insinuating something else.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

More rabblerousing, color me NOT surprised. You talk a big game; doubtful you back it up. I'm not saying you're a pussy or coward or anything; just that every person Ive ever known to be a man of action had very little to say beforehand. George Washington, for example, didn't sign the declaration of independence.

Your judgement of me is way off base, color me not shocked. I am held back by my own principles and the Rule of Law! I will not go out half cocked and start breaking the law to please anybody not even myself.
Just what actions that have any meaning should I take right now? Islam has not started murdering in the streets here!
Also what action can one take on an internet forum except posting words. Trust me I've been a person that loved to act back when I worked as bouncer yet even then I never acted without just cause. In other words every fight I had as a club bouncer was not of my making. My words here are meant to give others reason to think about the danger we face. Be as doubtful as you care to be but know when push comes to shove it was ALWAYS me that acted quickly by shoving back with great effect and deliberate purpose based upon knowledge of what I had to do and how badly I needed to damage the opponent for the lesson to be learned.
No , you called me a big mouth loud talker with no will or commitment to back up my words. You could not be more wrong. My posts are not rabblerousing to American patriots and I've never once stated that I'd break the law .
Again, what actions are you apparently referencing that my talking here has led me to be ignoring ?
Or is it your contention that I should as silent about our nation's dangers faced as are most blissfully ignorant, non-caring and often completely deluded Americans?--Tyr

[Kathianne]

Your judgement of me is way off base, color me not shocked. I am held back by my own principles and the Rule of Law! I will not go out half cocked and start breaking the law to please anybody not even myself.
Just what actions that have any meaning should I take right now? Islam has not started murdering in the streets here!
Also what action can one take on an internet forum except posting words. Trust me I've been a person that loved to act back when I worked as bouncer yet even then I never acted without just cause. In other words every fight I had as a club bouncer was not of my making. My words here are meant to give others reason to think about the danger we face. Be as doubtful as you care to be but know when push comes to shove it was ALWAYS me that acted quickly by shoving back with great effect and deliberate purpose based upon knowledge of what I had to do and how badly I needed to damage the opponent for the lesson to be learned.
No , you called me a big mouth loud talker with no will or commitment to back up my words. You could not be more wrong. My posts are not rabblerousing to American patriots and I've never once stated that I'd break the law .
Again, what actions are you apparently referencing that my talking here has led me to be ignoring ?
Or is it your contention that I should as silent about our nation's dangers faced as are most blissfully ignorant, non-caring and often completely deluded Americans?--Tyr

I've never doubted your sincerity, though I sometimes find your choice of words to be over the top. So be it. My position would be to say what I think without hyperbole and let others take that as they do.

[Thunderknuckles]

Road House.