Study: JFK lone-gunman evidence 'not a slam dunk'

[red states rule]

Yes, the Zapruder film clearly shows the kill shot blowing a spray of blood out forward. There is no doubt he was shot from the back of the head.

I mean we all watched a bunch of jihadists highjackers crash planes into buildings on live TV but people still don't want to believe it was that simple.

Oswald was a flamming marxist socialist pig, who renounced his citizenship at one point to go live in the USSR. During his time in the Marines he was on outcast and always getting into trouble, and he was mentally unstable since his youth. Lets not forget he attempted to kill General Edwin Walker who was an avid anti-communist just weeks before the JFK assassination, and he did kill a police officer right after killing JFK.
Its strange that despite all the evidence and motive a lot of people (most seem to be the liberal types) can't accept that this American hating left wing nut simply sat up in that room and shot up the President. A President that had the balls to stand up against the communists and Cuba.

I have always thought the Mafia killed JFK. They helped him get elected, then double crossed them with making Bobby AG

When you make a deal with those guys, you better keep your word

[theHawk]

I have always thought the Mafia killed JFK. They helped him get elected, then double crossed them with making Bobby AG

When you make a deal with those guys, you better keep your word

Oswald didn't have any known association with the Mafia. Just because the Mafia, Johnson, or anyone else disliked or even hated the President doesn't mean they had him killed. Every President is hated by alot of people, it doesn't make them all guilty if he is killed. All the evidence clearly shows Oswald was the killer. I'd say if anything it could of been the Soviets behind it, but even they wanted nothing to do with Oswald after they found out what a loon he was. Oswald was a deranged liberal who hated his own country so when he heard about the President's route which was made public days in advance, he set up that sniper nest and it was easy pickings from there.

[red states rule]

Oswald didn't have any known association with the Mafia. Just because the Mafia, Johnson, or anyone else disliked or even hated the President doesn't mean they had him killed. Every President is hated by alot of people, it doesn't make them all guilty if he is killed. All the evidence clearly shows Oswald was the killer. I'd say if anything it could of been the Soviets behind it, but even they wanted nothing to do with Oswald after they found out what a loon he was. Oswald was a deranged liberal who hated his own country so when he heard about the President's route which was made public days in advance, he set up that sniper nest and it was easy pickings from there.

We will never know the full details of the murder of Pres Kennedy. I still lean toward the Mafis killing him, and Oswald was the fall guy

[theHawk]

We will never know the full details of the murder of Pres Kennedy. I still lean toward the Mafis killing him, and Oswald was the fall guy

I'm curious to know why you think that at all. Some people say its because of Jack Ruby killing Oswald. But the truth is Jack Ruby was a Jewish business owner and he was not in the Mafia. He may have known a few people with such connections but that doesn't mean he was in it himself. Even on his death bed Jack Ruby said that no one else was behind it. He just did it thinking it would be better for the country and he never thought he'd get a death sentence from it. I'm sure alot of people in the country at that time would of loved to kill Oswald had they been given the chance. Ruby was just the first to be in that position.

[red states rule]

I'm curious to know why you think that at all. Some people say its because of Jack Ruby killing Oswald. But the truth is Jack Ruby was a Jewish business owner and he was not in the Mafia. He may have known a few people with such connections but that doesn't mean he was in it himself. Even on his death bed Jack Ruby said that no one else was behind it. He just did it thinking it would be better for the country and he never thought he'd get a death sentence from it. I'm sure alot of people in the country at that time would of loved to kill Oswald had they been given the chance. Ruby was just the first to be in that position.

It was a prgoam on the History Channel. They played wiretaps up mob guys talking about taking JFK out

Again, we will never really know what happened - I am saying what I saw and heard in the program

[theHawk]

It was a prgoam on the History Channel. They played wiretaps up mob guys talking about taking JFK out

Again, we will never really know what happened - I am saying what I saw and heard in the program

It doesn't matter if some other people were talking about taking JFK out. It doesn't change the fact that Oswald killed the President. There was no connection between him and the mafia. There didn't need to be either, he had his own motives. There is a mountain of motive there, more than anyone in the mafia could of given him. He was a derranged liberal through and through. He admired communists/socialists, and he hated America. Ironically he would of felt right at home with modern day libs.

[actsnoblemartin]

why was oswald killed?

I've always thought there was a second shooter.

[Mr. P]

With all the players that had motive I can't accept Lee Oswald did this all alone.

I am am NOT a conspiracy person by any stretch. Just look at the motives and facts. View the video in the "On JFK" thread.

Some things to consider...

Start with Motive.......

I admit I have no clue what Oswald's motive may have been but the following had plenty.

Castro...Cuban Missle Crissis, Bay of Pigs, several assassination attempts by the CIA, the ban on travel and trade to Cuba.

Mafia...Daddy ran scotch with the assistance of the Mafia, it made him a rich man. They did have a hand in JFKs election, through unions etc. JFK began a crackdown on the 'MOB" through his AG, Bobby (NOT good). The Casinos in Cuba were also a big lose for them.

Hoover....JFK and Bobby were in a war with Hoover to take back government control of the FBI.
J Edgar was a pissed and very POWERFUL man. Remember this, Bobby was killed before Hoover died.

Johnson....A shady politician with questionable links to the Mob.

The total Warren Commission report has not been released as it should have been, portions still remain sealed. Why?

So, I have a difficult time believing one lone loon just did it and then he was dropped in the basement of the police station a day later. There's so much more....

It just doesn't add up to being one lone loon for me.

And that's my 2 cents..

[red states rule]

why was oswald killed?

to keep him quiet

[red states rule]

With all the players that had motive I can't accept Lee Oswald did this all alone.

I am am NOT a conspiracy person by any stretch. Just look at the motives and facts. View the video in the "On JFK" thread.

Some things to consider...

Start with Motive.......

I admit I have no clue what Oswald's motive may have been but the following had plenty.

Castro...Cuban Missle Crissis, Bay of Pigs, several assassination attempts by the CIA, the ban on travel and trade to Cuba.

Mafia...Daddy ran scotch with the assistance of the Mafia, it made him a rich man. They did have a hand in JFKs election, through unions etc. JFK began a crackdown on the 'MOB" through his AG, Bobby (NOT good). The Casinos in Cuba were also a big lose for them.

Hoover....JFK and Bobby were in a war with Hoover to take back government control of the FBI.
J Edgar was a pissed and very POWERFUL man. Remember this, Bobby was killed before Hoover died.

Johnson....A shady politician with questionable links to the Mob.

The total Warren Commission report has not been released as it should have been, portions still remain sealed. Why?

So, I have a difficult time believing one lone loon just did it and then he was dropped in the basement of the police station a day later. There's so much more....

It just doesn't add up to being one lone loon for me.

And that's my 2 cents..

The mob did help him get elected, then he put Bobby in as AG. Bobby has giving the mob trouble, and then add to that the possible fling JFK had with the mistress of Sam Giancana - you have a good motive

[theHawk]

why was oswald killed?

Mainly because Jack Ruby thought he'd be viewed as a hero. He thought he'd get a reduced charge and reduced sentence.

[red states rule]

Mainly because Jack Ruby thought he'd be viewed as a hero. He thought he'd get a reduced charge and reduced sentence.

or he could talk about the possible mob ties to the murder of the US President

[emmett]

THAT is the 64 million dollar question. In essence it clearly says there was "something" "somebody" didn't want "eveybody" to know, right?

Proof pro quo of a conspiracy.

LHO DID fire the Carcano. The bullet hit the president and killed him. Other than that, I don't think anyone alive today will live to see anything otherwise actually proven.

[jackass]

Do you know how many people had to be involved? The Secret Service, The Military, The Vice President(The Architect), The CIA and many many more Orginizations.

Actually I think this is why most people believe that it wasnt a conspiracy, because there would be a need for too may people to know and SOMEONE would talk. I think you could do this with very few people actually knowing. Maybe just a handful of powerful people.
Think about it. Someone (lets just say the VP) wants the president dead. Who else would need to know? HLO. And maybe just 1 or 2 high ranking people positioned in Dallas. Here is the scene:
They setup LHO to kill the president. 2 high ranking FBI or CIA officials are on the scene to oversee the parade. (They are in on the assasination). The president is shot, they would use their power or command to steer the witenesses and local police. With people running around and the chaos afterwards they could easily mold the outcome.

[theHawk]

If you watch videos of the aftermath, you can see it was pure chaos at the Dallas police station when they were holding Oswald. They paraded him around right in front of media, they openly carried the rifle raised up in the air in a crowded hallway. They announced publically when they were going to transfer him to the county jail and into the Fed's hands. They were practically giving an open inventation for a public lynching.

I'm always much more inclined to believe in the utter incompetence and stupidity of government than I am in some grand conspiracy.