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    Quote Originally Posted by taft2012 View Post
    What do you think should be done with American muslims?

    Here's a question; Is a Muslim in America safer than a Christian or Jew in any Islamic theocracy?

    Yes or no?
    A Muslim was safer under Mubarak too. However both Egyptians and American Muslims had secret police spying on them all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ?
    Actually I suggest we face the threat and stop it before it grows too huge to stop. Denying that it exists does nothing but sanction it as a legitimate agenda that is perfectly fine to be advanced. The American citizens must decide how to stop it within the Rule of Law.-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar00 View Post
    A Muslim was safer under Mubarak too. However both Egyptians and American Muslims had secret police spying on them all the time.
    We have the Rule of Law here . We have a Constitution which stands in direct opposition to Sharia law. Either Islam gives or the Constitution does!-Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar00 View Post
    A Muslim was safer under Mubarak too. However both Egyptians and American Muslims had secret police spying on them all the time.
    Another misconception you have of America. We don't have secret police. Many on the left would love it if we did, but they do not exist here. We have informants and court ordered surveillance. But no secret police. Our communist inspired lefties would love to see such a thing, as long as it's used against conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    Another misconception you have of America. We don't have secret police. Many on the left would love it if we did, but they do not exist here. We have informants and court ordered surveillance. But no secret police. Our communist inspired lefties would love to see such a thing, as long as it's used against conservatives.
    Perhaps Jafar was thinking of that special civilian force obama stated that he wanted. The one just as well equipped and manned as our military. Remember back when obama mentioned wanting his own Gestapo? And the huge outcry put that on a backburner. Elect him again and watch a couple hundred billion dollars get "borrowed" to make the messiah's dream come true!-Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar00 View Post
    A Muslim was safer under Mubarak too. However both Egyptians and American Muslims had secret police spying on them all the time.
    A rather simple "yes or no" question goes completely unaddressed. Why am I not surprised?
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    This is America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And will remain so as long as we stand against such insane intolerance as is enforced by Islamic terrorism.
    Muhammed was a murderer and a lying child molester. Truth shall stand..-Tyr

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    Cartoon, "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!"Everybody Draw Mohammed Day was an event held on May 20, 2010 in support of free speech and freedom of artistic expression of those threatened with violence for drawing representations of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. It began as a protest against censorship of an American television show, South Park, "201" by its distributor, Comedy Central, in response to death threats against some of those responsible for two segments broadcast in April 2010. Observance of the day began with a drawing posted on the Internet on April 20, 2010, accompanied by text suggesting that "everybody" create a drawing representing Muhammad, on May 20, 2010, as a protest against efforts to limit freedom of speech.

    U.S. cartoonist Molly Norris of Seattle, Washington, created the artwork in reaction to Internet death threats that had been made against cartoonists Trey Parker and Matt Stone for depicting Muhammad in an episode of South Park. Depictions of Muhammad are explicitly forbidden by a few hadiths (sayings of and about Muhammad), though not by the Qur'an.[citation needed] Postings on RevolutionMuslim.com (under the pen name Abu Talha al-Amrikee; later identified as Zachary Adam Chesser) had said that Parker and Stone could wind up like Theo van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker who was stabbed and shot to death.[1]

    Norris said that if people draw pictures of Muhammad, Islamic terrorists would not be able to murder them all, and threats to do so would become unrealistic. Within a week, Norris' idea became popular on Facebook, was supported by numerous bloggers, and generated coverage on the blog websites of major U.S. newspapers. As the publicity mounted, Norris and the man who created the first Facebook page promoting the May 20 event disassociated themselves from it. Nonetheless, planning for the protest continued with others "taking up the cause".[2] Facebook had an "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" page, which grew to over 100,000 participants (101,870 members by May 20). A protest page on Facebook against the initiative, named "Against ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day'", attracted slightly more supporters (106,000 by May 20).[3] Subsequently, Facebook was temporarily blocked by Pakistan; the ban was lifted after Facebook agreed to block the page for users in India and Pakistan.

    In the media, Everybody Draw Mohammed Day attracted both support from commentators who felt that the campaign represented important issues of freedom of speech, and the need to stand up for this freedom, as well as criticism from other commentators who found the initiative crass, juvenile, and needlessly offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    Another misconception you have of America. We don't have secret police. Many on the left would love it if we did, but they do not exist here. We have informants and court ordered surveillance. But no secret police. Our communist inspired lefties would love to see such a thing, as long as it's used against conservatives.
    I believe it is you who have the wrong idea...as he was talking about Egypt, not America. Furthermore, Is the patriot act court ordered?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Perhaps Jafar was thinking of that special civilian force obama stated that he wanted. The one just as well equipped and manned as our military. Remember back when obama mentioned wanting his own Gestapo? And the huge outcry put that on a backburner. Elect him again and watch a couple hundred billion dollars get "borrowed" to make the messiah's dream come true!-Tyr
    Oh but if he gets a Gestapo, think of how much easier it will to round up all the Muslims.-- you'd like that
    Quote Originally Posted by taft2012 View Post
    A rather simple "yes or no" question goes completely unaddressed. Why am I not surprised?
    How is he to speak on the safety of America, he's not American. Are you American; why don't you answer your own question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    This is America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And will remain so as long as we stand against such insane intolerance as is enforced by Islamic terrorism.
    We do need to properly identify the enemy. Imagine if we had attacked China in 1941 because the US was attacked by Orientals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    We do need to properly identify the enemy. Imagine if we had attacked China in 1941 because the US was attacked by Orientals.
    How very occidental. Do you call blacks coloreds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    How very occidental. Do you call blacks coloreds?
    I was imitating the verbiage of those who might have made such a decision to attack China in 1941.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taft2012 View Post
    What do you think should be done with American muslims?

    Here's a question; Is a Muslim in America safer than a Christian or Jew in any Islamic theocracy?

    Yes or no?
    Answer is yes , muslims here are safer. America is not safer for having them and their isolated gated compounds/neighborhoods. Where often even the local cops do not enter!-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Actually I suggest we face the threat and stop it before it grows too huge to stop. Denying that it exists does nothing but sanction it as a legitimate agenda that is perfectly fine to be advanced. The American citizens must decide how to stop it within the Rule of Law.-Tyr
    Stop Islam within the rule of law ? Good luck.

    A nutcase will do nutty things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Stop Islam within the rule of law ? Good luck.
    Not quite sure what you're getting at here, Dilloduck.

    Are you saying that the only way to meaningfully combat Islam is lawlessly ?

    ... and actually, that's a point in itself. Over here in the UK, to even strongly CRITICISE Islam, within earshot of a Muslim and in a public place, can lead to said 'offended' Muslim being empowered to expect our authorities to act against the 'offender'.

    Think about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Answer is yes , muslims here are safer. America is not safer for having them and their isolated gated compounds/neighborhoods. Where often even the local cops do not enter!-Tyr

    Tyr. OBL taught them well. And many of them who seem to happily live here in the USA, remain quiet, and unnoticed. Always obeying the laws. Smiling, and pretending to hate Terrorists, and Terrorism...just enough to get a pass, and listen to Obama apologize often, in order to NOT OFFEND, or UPSET those OBL taught...to become the real ENEMY WITHIN.

    OBL decided back in the 1990's that he would slowly destroy America. First by tearing down the Economy. And in 1993, the first attack on the WTC took place, and CLINTON did nothing.
    OBL then decided his plan to destroy American business, and the Economy had failed. So September 11th, became his second target date to take down the Terrible Americans.
    OBL engineered just enough TERROR in Americans on that day to give them the opportunity to further DESTROY OURSELVES, one threat to our Constitution at a time, and to our Economy...and look at us now. All with the Wonderful, Appeasement, and Apologies of Obama. THE BEST PUPPET OBL could have asked for, and gotten.

    Anyone have any questions about WHY America is about to go OVER THAT CLIFF NOW?
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