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    Glock: It's the vietnam nerve toxin dood. C'mon....
    ‎'Is there anything wrong with anything.' Is that what you're asking, friendo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Chigurh View Post
    Glock: It's the vietnam nerve toxin dood. C'mon....
    Then why hasn't it caused any damage to my dogs?
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
    like sheep to the slaughter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Chigurh View Post
    It can make them sick and kill them if they ingest it. It is toxic to mammals.http://tinyurl.com/beepoisons
    Your link didn't explain how it gets from the dogs to the bees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Then why hasn't it caused any damage to my dogs?
    Maybe it's mild, or nonacute. Or maybe it's nothing. But assuming theyre equally effective, if given the choice between a known toxin and a botanical alternative, which would you prefer?
    He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.AeschylusRead more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...zeMUwcpY1Io.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    Maybe it's mild, or nonacute. Or maybe it's nothing. But assuming theyre equally effective, if given the choice between a known toxin and a botanical alternative, which would you prefer?
    The one my vet recommends because he is the expert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    The one my vet recommends because he is the expert.
    The expert with allegiance to big pharma -- I'm gonna sik revel arts on you.
    He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.AeschylusRead more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...zeMUwcpY1Io.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Then why hasn't it caused any damage to my dogs?
    Because you have applied it properly and they haven't ingested any. This is why they instruct you to put it between their shoulders on their back - it's a spot they can't reach with a lick. It would "work" anywhere you put it though, since it functions by being absorbed slowly through the skin. The fleas and ticks bite them, get a tiny shot of this crap, and die.

    Read the warnings on the label about if your pet ingests it.

    On the other hand, DE if ingested actually kills internal parasites like worms as well. This is also why it is a ingredient in the more high-end pet foods. Yes, they put it in higher dollar pet foods, to kill internal parasites naturally. They don't put vietnam era nerve toxin in pet foods. What's that tell ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    Your link didn't explain how it gets from the dogs to the bees.
    It's not hard for us to figure that out. Take let's say, 2 million dogs AND cats with this shit on their backs, and let's have maybe 1/4th of them go outside and roll around on the ground as they are wont to do when they are outside.
    ‎'Is there anything wrong with anything.' Is that what you're asking, friendo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    The one my vet recommends because he is the expert.
    If he's such a expert why doesn't he know about DE? Oh, because he can't make any money recommending it.
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    We had two hives of bees go, quite suddenly, with Colony Disappearing Syndrome. We were all suited up, ready to harvest ----- and nobody home!

    We'll try again another year; it'll be a virus, it always is. Whenever they start talking about how it's cell phones or pesticides (suddenly??) or magnetism -------------- it's a virus.

    My personal favorite is how diseases are always about how people are neurotic: migraines, has to be women being neurotic; ulcers, has to be men stressed and neurotic.

    They say this right before they figure out it's viruses. Well, the ulcers were actually a bacterium, easily cured with antibiotics.

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    Frontline killed my dog

    Pet lovers beware. I put Frontline on my Annie on Monday (not the first time), and today (Saturday) she is dead.

    I've watched her suffer all week: lethargy, loss of appetite, vomiting, loss of coordination and jaundice. There is nothing a vet can do for this. Mine told me to give her a bath to make sure the poison was removed from her coat. He gave her a shot of B vitamins and gave me some liquid vitamins to administer, but it did not save her.

    On Monday, Annie was a very happy, heathly, energetic 8-year-old dog with fleas. Today she's gone.

    The other thing you should know is that when I gave her the bath to remove the poison. I found fleas on her. So, the stuff doesn't even work. My vet says that he is seeing resistance to Frontline and Advantage.

    Don't risk putting this on your dog or cat! And, don't assume that because you've used it before that everything will be alright. This was not the first time that I had used Frontline. I suspect the stuff may build up in their system, and Annie finally had too much of it.
    Frontline killed dog

    Meet Drago. He was a beautiful healthy 15 months old Violka Anrebri and Chero Bulsara Son.
    Drago never had any health problems. My client applied Frontline for the first time on Tuesday March 9th and he was rushed to the Animal Hospital the next day. He was vomitting and lethargic. Needless to say he had to be euthanized last night. It attacked his red blood cells. He had several transfusions but he rejected them. Vet did confirm that it was most likely the Frontline.
    I know that most dogs tolerate Frontline but this is the second dog that I know had a bad reaction.
    Please keep the Vickery Family in your prayers.
    I mean, it's all well and good ain't it? Wonderful even - until somebody dies.
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    One of the best applicants for fleas is the old Hartz Mountain flea powder; you can get it in the supermarket. Cheap, effective. It works. Does no harm, year in and year out; vets say to use their stuff, of course, because theirs costs 14 times as much.

    Anyway, if you've got them on your pets, you've got fleas in the house, and I have one word for you ------

    Victor Flea Traps. World's best solution (IMO), and 100% organic and non-pesticidal. And cheap. I get mine at Amazon, and the refills. AND they make a great nightlight. AND they catch anything else walking around the house at night: centipedes, silverfish, roaches, crickets, flies, etc.

    All they are is a glue trap with a little nightlight in a fixture at the top of them. The light and heat attracts bugs, especially fleas. Once they get on, they do NOT get off. Great monitors, too --- that is, if you run a clean one in a vulnerable place where people sit, you can tell whether you've got fleas or not by just looking at it. I'm about ready to shut mine down --- flea season is summer months and we're about out of it now.

    I sure wish I could find as good a trap for mosquitoes with all this West Nile around. I have bought two kinds and the expensive $79 electric one did NOTHING --- we checked, and it has only caught moths all summer, and I don't have anything against moths, seems mean. We took it down. If anyone has mosquito traps that actually work, tell us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Chigurh View Post
    .... They don't put vietnam era nerve toxin in pet foods. What's that tell ya?
    Who's they? I'm guessing, not China. Remember back a few years there was some tainted pet food. My wife once picked through a spilled bag of dog food and found an abundance of hairs. Now hairs won't kill dogs, they lick themselves all the time, but I have to wonder, where did those hairs come from; vermin perhaps? Might it also contain assorted rat parts which, possibly were poisoned by bait and ended up in the mix. I'd rather not think about it, but needless to say, we changed brands.
    He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.AeschylusRead more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...zeMUwcpY1Io.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by mundame View Post
    One of the best applicants for fleas is the old Hartz Mountain flea powder; you can get it in the supermarket. Cheap, effective. It works. Does no harm, year in and year out; vets say to use their stuff, of course, because theirs costs 14 times as much.

    Anyway, if you've got them on your pets, you've got fleas in the house, and I have one word for you ------

    Victor Flea Traps. World's best solution (IMO), and 100% organic and non-pesticidal. And cheap. I get mine at Amazon, and the refills. AND they make a great nightlight. AND they catch anything else walking around the house at night: centipedes, silverfish, roaches, crickets, flies, etc.

    All they are is a glue trap with a little nightlight in a fixture at the top of them. The light and heat attracts bugs, especially fleas. Once they get on, they do NOT get off. Great monitors, too --- that is, if you run a clean one in a vulnerable place where people sit, you can tell whether you've got fleas or not by just looking at it. I'm about ready to shut mine down --- flea season is summer months and we're about out of it now.

    I sure wish I could find as good a trap for mosquitoes with all this West Nile around. I have bought two kinds and the expensive $79 electric one did NOTHING --- we checked, and it has only caught moths all summer, and I don't have anything against moths, seems mean. We took it down. If anyone has mosquito traps that actually work, tell us?
    Or, you can make it all go away permenently with DE, and also get the internal parasites while you're at it.
    ‎'Is there anything wrong with anything.' Is that what you're asking, friendo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    Who's they? I'm guessing, not China. Remember back a few years there was some tainted pet food. My wife once picked through a spilled bag of dog food and found an abundance of hairs. Now hairs won't kill dogs, they lick themselves all the time, but I have to wonder, where did those hairs come from; vermin perhaps? Might it also contain assorted rat parts which, possibly were poisoned by bait and ended up in the mix. I'd rather not think about it, but needless to say, we changed brands.
    I feed my cats, strictly and only, Blue Buffalo products.

    Oh and, the vacuum-sealed Star Kist tuna packs, for a treat once a day. One of these little dollar twenty packets feeds all seven of them a nice treat - really cheap! (And you know exactly what you're giving them.)
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