How Khomeini, founder of the Islamic Republic, condemns pedophilia

[jimnyc]

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

The Little Green Book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47

In fairness, I don't own this book, but a little research around the web makes me believe this is the real thing. Here are reviews of the book from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3N7OPB18KKGHK

[jafar00]

Khomeini was a sick individual. I'm sure he's resting in a special pit in hell.

[jimnyc]

Khomeini was a sick individual. I'm sure he's resting in a special pit in hell.

I agree and hope so as well. But curiously, why would his comments be sick and perhaps condemn him to hell, but if say someone actually did sleep with an underage child, albeit a long time ago, be revered instead of condemned for actually committing such acts and not just stating them?

[jafar00]

I agree and hope so as well. But curiously, why would his comments be sick and perhaps condemn him to hell, but if say someone actually did sleep with an underage child, albeit a long time ago, be revered instead of condemned for actually committing such acts and not just stating them?

There is a lot more to his writings than just that such as bestiality etc....

As for your snide little swipe, we already dealt with the historical customs of the time compared to the customs of today in another thread. Funnily enough, only one man from that time is constantly referred to for just doing what everyone was doing as accepted practice, at the time. Was Aicha abused? Did she ever complain about her marriage?

[jimnyc]

There is a lot more to his writings than just that such as bestiality etc....

As for your snide little swipe, we already dealt with the historical customs of the time compared to the customs of today in another thread. Funnily enough, only one man from that time is constantly referred to for just doing what everyone was doing as accepted practice, at the time. Was Aicha abused? Did she ever complain about her marriage?

Always an excuse.

Was she abused? Yes, I think being forced to marry at 6 and have sex at 9 IS abuse, and sexual abuse to boot. No way in hell, even back then, were little kids brains and bodies able to fully comprehend marriage and sexual relations. Did she complain? Likely, and likely fell on deaf ears. Today people are killed are threatened to be killed of they even dare insult the pedophile, I can only imagine what would happen if a child or their family complained about the filthy liberties being taken by a sexual predator.

You keep telling yourself that it was OK for your prophet to sleep with a child, if that helps you sleep, so be it. I don't believe for a second that a child's little body was prepared, back then, or today, to be violated by an adult.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Khomeini was a sick individual. I'm sure he's resting in a special pit in hell.

As is Mohamboy, a few other famous Islamic leaders that murdered so many millions of innocent people. -Tyr

[gabosaurus]

Yep, Khomeini was such an insidiously evil person, Ronald Reagan agreed to send him arms and money. To be payable after he won the 1980 election.

[jafar00]

Always an excuse.

Was she abused? Yes, I think being forced to marry at 6 and have sex at 9 IS abuse, and sexual abuse to boot. No way in hell, even back then, were little kids brains and bodies able to fully comprehend marriage and sexual relations. Did she complain? Likely, and likely fell on deaf ears. Today people are killed are threatened to be killed of they even dare insult the pedophile, I can only imagine what would happen if a child or their family complained about the filthy liberties being taken by a sexual predator.

You keep telling yourself that it was OK for your prophet to sleep with a child, if that helps you sleep, so be it. I don't believe for a second that a child's little body was prepared, back then, or today, to be violated by an adult.

The marriage was consumated at puberty. There are records that she had breasts at the time. As was the custom among thousands of other people 1400 years ago.

You can come back to me when you also condemn in the same breath...

* Henry XI of Głogów who married Barbara of Brandenburg when she was 8 y/o
* Isaac II Angelos the Byzantine emperor who married Margaret of Hungary at the age of 9 y/o
* Humphrey IV of Toron who married Isabella I of Jerusalem when she was 11 y/o after betrothal at 8
* Stephen Uroš I (Uros the Great) who was king of Serbia who married Helen of Anjou when she was 9 y/o
* Stephen Dragutin of Serbia who married Catherine of Hungary, Queen of Serbia at age 11 or 12.
* King Stephen Uroš II Milutin who married Simonida Nemanjić when she was 5 y/o

...... and many more

Early marriage to unite clans, royal families was normal practise. Girls and boys were betrothed at early ages in order to secure alliances. In fact Aicha's betrothal was intended to strengthen Mohammed's (saw) ties with the family of Abu Bakr (as). She later became one of Islam's most revered figures.

No more debate is needed on the subject.

[taft2012]

Yep, Khomeini was such an insidiously evil person, Ronald Reagan agreed to send him arms and money. To be payable after he won the 1980 election.

Ehhhh, got any proof of that?

[taft2012]

The marriage was consumated at puberty. There are records that she had breasts at the time. As was the custom among thousands of other people 1400 years ago.

You can come back to me when you also condemn in the same breath...

* Henry XI of Głogów who married Barbara of Brandenburg when she was 8 y/o
* Isaac II Angelos the Byzantine emperor who married Margaret of Hungary at the age of 9 y/o
* Humphrey IV of Toron who married Isabella I of Jerusalem when she was 11 y/o after betrothal at 8
* Stephen Uroš I (Uros the Great) who was king of Serbia who married Helen of Anjou when she was 9 y/o
* Stephen Dragutin of Serbia who married Catherine of Hungary, Queen of Serbia at age 11 or 12.
* King Stephen Uroš II Milutin who married Simonida Nemanjić when she was 5 y/o

...... and many more

Early marriage to unite clans, royal families was normal practise. Girls and boys were betrothed at early ages in order to secure alliances. In fact Aicha's betrothal was intended to strengthen Mohammed's (saw) ties with the family of Abu Bakr (as). She later became one of Islam's most revered figures.

No more debate is needed on the subject.

And people were also kings and emperors at ages as young as 3 years-old once upon a time. In the 20th century, Pu Yi was the last Chinese emperor at the age of 3.

What you omit from the above is how old the royals in question were, and at what age the marriages were consummated. Furthermore, those marriages were political arrangements moreso than just marriages, as opposed to the Prophet, who merely married a child out of lust and perversion.

[jimnyc]

The marriage was consumated at puberty. There are records that she had breasts at the time. As was the custom among thousands of other people 1400 years ago.

You can come back to me when you also condemn in the same breath...

* Henry XI of Głogów who married Barbara of Brandenburg when she was 8 y/o
* Isaac II Angelos the Byzantine emperor who married Margaret of Hungary at the age of 9 y/o
* Humphrey IV of Toron who married Isabella I of Jerusalem when she was 11 y/o after betrothal at 8
* Stephen Uroš I (Uros the Great) who was king of Serbia who married Helen of Anjou when she was 9 y/o
* Stephen Dragutin of Serbia who married Catherine of Hungary, Queen of Serbia at age 11 or 12.
* King Stephen Uroš II Milutin who married Simonida Nemanjić when she was 5 y/o

...... and many more

As you requested! That is absolutely disgusting. I don't see where they had sexual relations with these CHILDREN, but I'll assume that marriage lead to that, So NOT A ONE of them is any better than the pedophile Muhammed, they are ALL pedophiles if they took advantage of children. I don't give a damn what their families or parents wanted, it should be what the bride wants, and a child cannot fully understand what a bride truly is nor what sexual relations are and nor are their bodies possibly ready for sexual relations with an adult. There, you happy, I equally condemn your list along with Muhammed.

Early marriage to unite clans, royal families was normal practise. Girls and boys were betrothed at early ages in order to secure alliances. In fact Aicha's betrothal was intended to strengthen Mohammed's (saw) ties with the family of Abu Bakr (as). She later became one of Islam's most revered figures.

No more debate is needed on the subject.

For YOU no more debate is needed, you figure if you can post a short list of others that took advantage of children that it would somehow excuse your beloved prophet from his disgusting acts. It doesn't. And I got another one for you, how many of those on your list are seen as a prophet, and so beloved that people literally KILL if he is simply insulted? How many are held in the highest regard where an entire religion of billions of people follow his every words as if it came straight from God? Big deal, alliances were secured, family ties strengthened - all at the cost of a CHILD'S future, virginity and soul. The fact that Islam revered her since she was violated by their prophet says nothing at all, nothing more than people revered her because their beloved was with her. Being violated doesn't make one special or even a woman, she would have been much better off if she had time for her body and mind to fully develop, lived a proper life and had her relations when SHE was ready.

[jafar00]

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As you requested! That is absolutely disgusting. I don't see where they had sexual relations with these CHILDREN, but I'll assume that marriage lead to that, So NOT A ONE of them is any better than the pedophile Muhammed, they are ALL pedophiles if they took advantage of children. I don't give a damn what their families or parents wanted, it should be what the bride wants, and a child cannot fully understand what a bride truly is nor what sexual relations are and nor are their bodies possibly ready for sexual relations with an adult. There, you happy, I equally condemn your list along with Muhammed.



For YOU no more debate is needed, you figure if you can post a short list of others that took advantage of children that it would somehow excuse your beloved prophet from his disgusting acts. It doesn't. And I got another one for you, how many of those on your list are seen as a prophet, and so beloved that people literally KILL if he is simply insulted? How many are held in the highest regard where an entire religion of billions of people follow his every words as if it came straight from God? Big deal, alliances were secured, family ties strengthened - all at the cost of a CHILD'S future, virginity and soul. The fact that Islam revered her since she was violated by their prophet says nothing at all, nothing more than people revered her because their beloved was with her. Being violated doesn't make one special or even a woman, she would have been much better off if she had time for her body and mind to fully develop, lived a proper life and had her relations when SHE was ready.

I can understand your disgust if the people listed above did the same in 2012 as they did in 1500 or so years ago. We would be disgusted these days if everyone threw buckets of shit and piss out the window and onto the street, but that's exactly what they did in the dark ages in Europe. They used to burn witches alive too but if we did that these days, we would find ourselves in jail on a murder charge.

You simply cannot judge the morality customs of 1500 years ago with the morality and customs of 2012. Why don't you understand that?

Prophet or King, it's just what they did back then. They all had slaves too but that wouldn't be acceptable now either.

I eagerly await multiple threads from you on "Uros the Great" condemning him as a pedophile for his 9 y/o bride.

[jimnyc]

I can understand your disgust if the people listed above did the same in 2012 as they did in 1500 or so years ago. We would be disgusted these days if everyone threw buckets of shit and piss out the window and onto the street, but that's exactly what they did in the dark ages in Europe. They used to burn witches alive too but if we did that these days, we would find ourselves in jail on a murder charge.

You simply cannot judge the morality customs of 1500 years ago with the morality and customs of 2012. Why don't you understand that?

Prophet or King, it's just what they did back then. They all had slaves too but that wouldn't be acceptable now either.

I eagerly await multiple threads from you on "Uros the Great" condemning him as a pedophile for his 9 y/o bride.

I would start multiple threads if these people were TODAY being held in the highest regard, prayed to and being called a prophet. Oh, and if people were killing based on others insulting what these other pedophiles did. As far as I can tell, only ONE RELIGION is out there doing such today.

[taft2012]

I can understand your disgust if the people listed above did the same in 2012 as they did in 1500 or so years ago. We would be disgusted these days if everyone threw buckets of shit and piss out the window and onto the street, but that's exactly what they did in the dark ages in Europe. They used to burn witches alive too but if we did that these days, we would find ourselves in jail on a murder charge.

You simply cannot judge the morality customs of 1500 years ago with the morality and customs of 2012. Why don't you understand that?

Exactly. And they used to stone people to death for adultery and cut peoples' heads off for blaspheming. Praise Allah we've all become so much more civilized than that nowadays.

Oh.... wait a minute.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And people were also kings and emperors at ages as young as 3 years-old once upon a time. In the 20th century, Pu Yi was the last Chinese emperor at the age of 3.

What you omit from the above is how old the royals in question were, and at what age the marriages were consummated. Furthermore, those marriages were political arrangements moreso than just marriages, as opposed to the Prophet, who merely married a child out of lust and perversion.

Exactly, those marraiges were the acts of alliances made.. Mohamboy had a lust for little girls.. Jafar attempts to excuse that by naming other that married for political alliances etc. Even if the others were perverted child diddlers how does that excuse Mohamboy being one as well?? It simply does not to any decent, rational person.-Tyr