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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post

    Greed and lust by definition are excessive failings.

    Noir, you need to see with your inner being, your heart, your soul, not your intellect. And it is not to say that people are always this way. We all stumble.
    You are taught (and seemingly teach) that lust etc is an excessive feeling.

    Finding someone sexually attractive does not make you sick.

    Finding someone sexually attractive to the point that you'd rape them, does.
    Last edited by Noir; 10-12-2012 at 08:05 AM.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post

    Only weaker, more wicked and sicker than an omnipotent God. Christians are merely acknowledging their mortality.
    I don't think you'll find any atheists who don't acknowledge their own mortality.

    Far from it - when an athiest dies, we don't then expect immorality.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    You are taught (and seemingly teach) that lust etc is an excessive feeling.

    Finding someone sexually attractive does not make you sick.

    Finding someone sexually attractive to the point that you'd rape them, does.
    Matthew 5:28

    But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post

    Matthew 5:28
    Thanks for reinforcing my point with scripture (:
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    You are taught (and seemingly teach) that lust etc is an excessive feeling.

    Finding someone sexually attractive does not make you sick.

    Finding someone sexually attractive to the point that you'd rape them, does.
    I never said being sexually attracted to someone means you are sick. Finding someone sexually attractive is not necessarily getting to the level of lust. You're a guy- is this really news to you?
    Just as enjoying owning expensive things doesn't necessarily rise to the level of greed. Etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    You are taught (and seemingly teach) that lust etc is an excessive feeling.

    Finding someone sexually attractive does not make you sick.

    Finding someone sexually attractive to the point that you'd rape them, does.
    The point is, i can see someone is fairly attractive. But there reaches a point where you start thinking about what's under her skirt, that's when you start sinning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Confessing one's sins is not enough. We need to repent and turn away from our sins. Confession is just the First (and often hardest) step in that.

    This thread raises an interesting question that I've been pondering lately. What does it mean to be a disciple of Jesus Christ?

    To be a disciple of Jesus is not to read his word, pray, and not sin.
    To be a disciple, you have to go out and teach the word to others, and you must WANT to do good deeds, not be forced to. That's a common misconception, many people think the commandments are there to say what you CAN'T do. The commandments are there for beginner Christians, just a rough guild line of what our morals are, and what aren't seen as good deeds. Just to start out your idea, but it's supposed to expand into you caring and loving all of your brothers and sisters, including the ones that have yet to find Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadet View Post

    To be a disciple of Jesus is not to read his word, pray, and not sin.
    To be a disciple, you have to go out and teach the word to others, and you must WANT to do good deeds, not be forced to. That's a common misconception, many people think the commandments are there to say what you CAN'T do. The commandments are there for beginner Christians, just a rough guild line of what our morals are, and what aren't seen as good deeds. Just to start out your idea, but it's supposed to expand into you caring and loving all of your brothers and sisters, including the ones that have yet to find Christ.
    Ephesians 2:8-9
    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and
    that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not
    of works, lest any man should boast.

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    This thread makes me think of this beautiful, absolutely beautiful, song.

    After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown

    “Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    Ephesians 2:8-9

    James 4:17
    So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
    Mathew 6:1-4
    Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
    Colossians 3:17
    And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

    ^I can play that game too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    I never said being sexually attracted to someone means you are sick. Finding someone sexually attractive is not necessarily getting to the level of lust. You're a guy- is this really news to you?
    Just as enjoying owning expensive things doesn't necessarily rise to the level of greed. Etc.
    The word lust means strong sexual desire.

    Quote Originally Posted by cadet View Post
    The point is, i can see someone is fairly attractive. But there reaches a point where you start thinking about what's under her skirt, that's when you start sinning.
    So when a man feels lust for his wife, sick?
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    I would just recommend for some to just ignore others who want to dismiss your faith and be argumentative about it's existence. If they don't believe, so be it. It's obvious some aren't going to ever believe, and therefore likely posting against Christians just to get a rise.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I would just recommend for some to just ignore others who want to dismiss your faith and be argumentative about it's existence. If they don't believe, so be it. It's obvious some aren't going to ever believe, and therefore likely posting against Christians just to get a rise.
    Regardless of what belief someone has as soon as they start saying that a totally natural thing like lust makes us sick, i'd want to take issue with it.

    So i would take up the same issue with an atheist moral absolutist, if they proposed the similar thoughts.
    Last edited by Noir; 10-12-2012 at 10:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I would just recommend for some to just ignore others who want to dismiss your faith and be argumentative about it's existence. If they don't believe, so be it. It's obvious some aren't going to ever believe, and therefore likely posting against Christians just to get a rise.
    Matthew 10:14
    And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
    Proverbs 14:6
    A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth .
    Proverbs 1:24-29
    24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
    25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
    26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
    27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
    28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
    29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Regardless of what belief someone has as soon as they start saying that a totally natural thing like lust makes us sick, i'd want to take issue with it.

    So i would take up the same issue with an atheist moral absolutist, if they proposed the similar thoughts.

    Suuuure. I'd be hard pressed to find one Christian claim that you don't take issue with.

    Jim is right of course. You are always trying to denigrate Christian faith, and spread your atheistic views. Nothing new here.

    The upside is, we still get the word out there, and your constant negativity gives us an opportunity to let our faith shine even brighter.
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