Vote 3rd Party

[KarlMarx]

Vote 3rd party and give Obama another 4 years? No thanks... that's how Clinton got to be president. Romney may not be the best, but he's better than Obama

come to think of it... a case of Ebola virus is better than having Obama as president

[revelarts]

If any third party had any real following and any real desire to change thing in the country they would be going after the congress and senate seats, not worrying about the presidency. That's why I don't take any of them seriously. The third party people remind me of a kid fresh out of college expecting to be hired as a CEO when they have no experience.

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No experience? you mean like Obama, or Governors like Romney and Gary Johnson of the libertarian party , or Congressman like Newt Gingrich or Vigil Goode of the Constitution party.

how many congressional seats do they have to run for before they reach your particular idea of legitimacy?
the oregan constitution party has got like 17 running in state and federal races
South Carolina has about 7
they are out there if you look.

We've just been brainwashed into thinking that the 90 million voters in U.S. some how should seriously consider ONLY 2 parties.
It's kinda crazy really.

I'm sure the Founders never imagined there'd be 90 million voting on behalf of 300 million citizens for 1 man from 2 parties as president. And 500+ congress people to represent them all again from 2 parties. Not much in the way of real "representation" there.

No reason why that's the way it's got to be.

(still waiting for the outrage on the RNC suppression of 3rd party candidates. I really hope i don't hear jack squat about Acorn this election you guys if you can't get outraged about this too.)

[gabosaurus]

If you are not completely sold on Romney, I totally endorse voting a third party candidate. Perhaps Gary Johnson. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Classic Liberal]

click link here to see whole graphic


Not my choice of a candidate but the comparison makes a point that's lost on some Republicans and Democrats. That is, that their candidates are not very different in most important areas.

I wish some folks had started a Vote 3rd party campaign, ANY 3rd party,
There are A LOT of people that really don't care for Romney or Obama and if the D's and R's saw close to a 1/3 voting in other parties they'd have to take some notice and at the least throw some bones to the people. And at best really start running candidates and voting in ways that lined up with the constitution and the peoples desires.


It'll get little traction here i suppose but still i'll put it out there.
VOTE 3rd PARTY
ANY 3rd Party

America’s election system is rigged from the get-go by the Democrat & Republican Duopoly. First they bribe Wall Street and special interest with friendly and advantageous legislation for campaign donations. Major media is owned and operated by ideological hacks on the left and the right. They control the ballot access process in every state making ballot access cumbersome and costly for any third party. They control the national debate system.

That’s why third parties have no success in America, the Duopoly has the election system rigged and in their pocket.

[revelarts]

CLiberal i think your pretty much right, I still have to wonder though the 2 parties work so hard to keep out extra voices so there's still fear that others can get some foot in the door it seems to me.
the country's long gone in many ways but, i hate to just lay down and die.

there was an great couple of interviews about 3rd parties not being in the Debates. How the questions and formats are controlled literally by the candidates and a debate corp run by 2 former D&R party hacks.
Also how they manufacturer the illusion of great differences in the platforms by what they don't talk about. but would be address by 3rd parties.

a 2 quotes

GEORGE FARAH: In many ways, yes. The exclusion of these viable third-party candidates from these kinds of actual presidential debate processes have the consequence of a certain ideological containment that Glenn is describing. Third parties are responsible for the abolition of slavery, women’s right to vote, child labor laws, unemployment compensation, Social Security, direct election of senators, public schools, public power—the list goes on and on. And when you exclude those third-party voices by structuring the debate in such an exclusionary format, you’re preventing third parties from actually breaking the bipartisan silence on critical issues, and doing exactly what Glenn is saying, which is presenting a narrow bandwidth in a wide manner, presenting the illusion that there’s extraordinary difference between the parties when in fact there’s [inaudible]—...

....it illustrates just how mythological this idea is that the Democrats and Republicans are universes apart, that in reality they share all kinds of policy premises and, most importantly, serve exactly the same interests. Only by excluding those candidates and having the two parties focus on the tiny differences that they have and vociferously fight about them can this mythology be maintained that we have massive and real choice in this country.

The other aspect of it is, is that if you have, for example, Gary Johnson, who is the Libertarian Party candidate, and even a couple of other candidates on the right, who oftentimes are far more—far greater advocates of what progressives have long claimed to be their values—antiwar, pro-civil liberties, anti-harsh penal policies, anti-drug war—what then begins to happen, as well, is that the ideological and partisan spectrum begins to blur a great deal. Loyalties break down. Cultural identities can be subverted. And that, more than anything, is what the two parties do not want. They want both of their—their followers to think that the only way that these views can be represented is by clinging to either one of the two political parties. And introducing these third parties into the debate shows that actually the ideological spectrum is far less rigid and linear than these two parties insist on perpetuating. And that’s why they’re joined together at the hip and have a common interest in keeping this process as it is and why this collusion exists so smoothly, as George described, because they both want to keep these candidates out for the same reasons....

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/...ted_next_story

[KarlMarx]

Stop to think about this won't you? A three party system will ensure that a majority of people will will NOT want the person who is currently in power the majority of the time. I think it's best to reform the Republican Party (forget about the Democrat Party, they're too far gone) rather than look to a third party. A third party will not likely win any election and only serve to keep the incumbent party in power.

[Classic Liberal]

Stop to think about this won't you? A three party system will ensure that a majority of people will will NOT want the person who is currently in power the majority of the time. I think it's best to reform the Republican Party (forget about the Democrat Party, they're too far gone) rather than look to a third party. A third party will not likely win any election and only serve to keep the incumbent party in power.

Well, there seems to be two factions in the Republican party today the neo-conservatives, AKA RINO’s, and a growing number of Ron Paul & Gary Johnson libertarian thinking “REAL” Republicans. The way Ron Paul and Gary Johnson were treated by the RINO’s in this election cycle, it’s perfectly evident to me that the BIG government RINO Neo-Cons are the vast majority in the Republican party and even the Tea Party seems to favor BIG government RINO’s over libertarian constitutional types. So what’s the tactic that could ever be successful at reforming the Republicans?

The RINO’s have adopted the bribery tactics of the Democrats, undeclared unconstitutional wars, trouncing on constitutional freedoms, i. e. The Patriot Act, The Drug War, BIG government socialist programing, religious zealots, bedroom window peeping busybodies, opposition to marriage contracts for “SOME” folks, an isolationist foreign policy and world police force that provokes terrorism, Wall Street bailouts and special interest bribery. If that’s to be reformed, somebody better get started with the reforming, huh?

[revelarts]

Exclusive: Expanding the Debate with Third-Party Candidates Jill Stein, Virgil Goode, Rocky Anderson

"President Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney sparred last night in their second of three debates. Today, in a two-hour special, we expand the debate by including the voices of three presidential candidates shut out of the official debate. We are joined by Jill Stein of the Green Party, Constitution Party nominee Virgil Goode, and Justice Party candidate Rocky Anderson. We re-air parts of last night’s presidential debate, pausing the videotape to give third-party candidates a chance to respond to the same questions put to the major-party candidates. [includes rush transcript]"


Guests:

Dr. Jill Stein, Green Party 2012 presidential nominee.

Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City, Utah. He is a former Democrat who once endorsed Mitt Romney for governor of Massachusetts but is now running against him for president on the Justice Party ticket.

Virgil Goode, Constitution Party 2012 presidential nominee. He is a former six-term Virginia congressman. He was first elected as a Democrat, later switching to the Republican Party.

interesting

CANDY CROWLEY: Governor Romney, as you know, you won the coin toss, so the first question will go to you. And I want to turn to a first-time voter, Jeremy Epstein, who has a question for you.

JEREMY EPSTEIN: Mr. President, Governor Romney, as a 20-year-old college student, all I hear from professors, neighbors and others is that when I graduate, I will have little chance to get employment. What can you say to reassure me—but more importantly, my parents—that I will be able to sufficiently support myself after I graduate?
MITT ROMNEY: Thank you, Jeremy. I appreciate your—your question, and thank you for being here this evening....
CANDY CROWLEY: Mr. President.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Jeremy, first of all, your future is bright, and the fact that you’re making an investment in higher education is critical, not just to you but to the entire nation....

...
AMY GOODMAN: Dr. Jill Stein, Green Party presidential candidate, your response?
DR. JILL STEIN: So, first, to ensure that our students have a strong, secure economic future, how about we bail out the students instead of bailing out the banks for the fourth time? The Federal Reserve just announced its latest quantitative easing, where it will be spending $40 billion a month to bail out the banks for what’s effectively the fourth bailout, yet we’ve really gone nowhere with these bailouts. It’s time to bail out the students instead, so that way students can enter into their professional life, their careers, without the deep burden of debt that they currently now have.
While we’re at it, let’s make public higher education free. We owe it to our young people to give them a good, strong start in life, to have the security that a college degree provides. We provided a high school degree throughout the 20th century, but in the 21st, a college degree is essential for that security. And we know this pays for itself from the GI Bill, in which every dollar taxpayers invested in student public higher education, $7 was returned in economic benefits to the economy.
And as for jobs, we’re actually calling for a program that has a track record of actually creating jobs—that is, a Green New Deal for America. We want to directly create jobs, not simply provide tax breaks for corporations or tax breaks for the job creators to move their jobs to China or India. The Green New Deal will create 25 million jobs. We’ll put an end to unemployment, and we’ll jump-start the green economy. And that means putting a halt to climate change as well as making wars for oil obsolete. And the Green New Deal puts national resources, national funding into the hands of communities, so that they can decide what kinds of jobs they need to become sustainable economically, socially and environmentally. So it includes a spectrum of jobs in the green sector, as well as jobs that meet our social needs, and these are public services and public works, like during the New Deal that got us out of the Depression. And these are jobs you can get by going down not to an unemployment office, but to an employment office, and actually getting a job, as well as small businesses and worker-owned co-operatives.
AMY GOODMAN: Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party in Rocky Mount—in Rocky Mount, Virginia.
VIRGIL GOODE JR.: All right, thank—thank you very much, Amy Goodman.
To get jobs in America, neither President Obama nor Governor Romney are focusing on some of the key issues. First issue, we need to eliminate illegal immigration, keep illegals from coming into this country, taking jobs from American citizens. Secondly, we need to have a near-complete moratorium on green card admissions to this country until unemployment is under 5 percent. We give hundreds of thousands of green cards per year to working-age persons that come into the United States, take good-paying jobs from students that had just graduated, like Jeremy. We need to preserve jobs in America for American citizens first, and none of the other presidential candidates are—are addressing this issue. It’s not politically correct, but it is one thing we could do right away to have jobs in America for American citizens first.
I would also end "Obamacare," which is a real restraint on job creation among small businesses. They are fearful of the fines, the taxes and also the regulations that’s going to be imposed on them under this. We can have more jobs in small businesses if "Obamacare" is eliminated.
I also favor more energy growth in all areas in this country—drilling for oil, drilling for natural gas, utilizing coal. And I like alternatives, too, but we need to be energy independent, produce more energy in this country, be an exporter, like Canada and Russia have become. That has helped the economies and provided thousands upon thousands of more jobs in those nations. These are the things we can do so that the Jeremys will have jobs when they graduate.
AMY GOODMAN: Rocky Anderson, presidential candidate of the Justice Party.
ROCKY ANDERSON: It was amazing to me to see that the number one issue on people’s minds in this country was raised as the first question in this debate last night, and neither of the major-party candidates answered it. The most we got out of Mitt Romney is he said, "I know how to create jobs," this coming from a man who had no problem—he’s already said he loves to fire people. He had no problem taking over companies, wringing out all the money he could, and firing people. And then President Obama, he has set our nation’s record for the most months in a four-year period of over 8 percent unemployment. He has not ever even suggested renegotiating the trade agreements that are responsible for sending so many millions of jobs overseas. We need leadership in this country, with people who care about those who are struggling, about young people who are so worried about their futures.
And I absolutely agree, we don’t let people out of college with this crushing tuition debt. For the first time in our nation’s history, there is more student debt than there is credit card debt. It’s over a trillion dollars. It takes now students 2,000 hours on average to pay for their tuition. When I was going to college, it took about 200 hours to pay for one’s tuition.
So we need to renegotiate our trade agreements so that we’re no longer sending these millions of jobs overseas and we’re bringing them back. We need to provide the kinds of incentives so that there is an equal playing ground for those employers who will hire United States workers and provide the kinds of good jobs that our young people should be looking forward to.
President Obama talks about his recovery and all the new jobs. The fact is that when we lost all these jobs in 2008 and 2009, 60 percent of them were mid-skill, mid-paying jobs, and only 22 percent of the jobs in the so-called recovery are of that level. Most of them are low-paying, low-skill jobs. We also need a WPA-like project where we’re building up our nation’s infrastructure and employing millions of people. We can do this, but not with these austerity programs that are being proposed by both Republicans and Democrats.
...

VIRGIL GOODE JR.: Thank you. Mayor Anderson, in his previous response, was right on target about these free trade agreements. When I was in Congress, I voted against, consistently, these agreements that have cost so many American jobs in this—in the United States. They need to be, as he said, renegotiated, with the emphasis on bringing jobs to this country instead of sending them overseas.
What we have are some of the big political donors behind the super PACs, are big on promoting more of these trade agreements which cost us jobs—another reason that we need to end political action committees and have only individual donations with their donations being disclosed completely with names and addresses and other information. That would enhance our economy indirectly, because we would not do so many things that benefit a few and not the majority of people who want jobs in America for U.S. citizens....

[Robert A Whit]

No, it's pulling real votes from the D's and R's. letting them know that people will not just vote for any candidate they throw in our faces just because they are on the ticket.

The bare differences between the candidates show anyone not joined at the hip the the big 2 that there's really no choice here.

Any 3rd party choice AT LEAST sends a message. Not hoping for a win. But a Awake up call for the powers that be.

Last time that stunt was pulled, we got Bill Clinton.

Remember Ross Perot?

[aboutime]

Last time that stunt was pulled, we got Bill Clinton.

Remember Ross Perot?

Problem is. That 'WAKEUP CALL' only lasts as long as the MSM keeps talking about the Winners, and Losers after every election. Then. As usual. ALL is forgotten for another two, or four years while the BIASED MSM decides WHICH SIDE they will take, and protect.

We really can't fully blame individual American voters. They are only as smart, and as informed as the Liberally Biased MSM wants them to be.

[revelarts]

Last time that stunt was pulled, we got Bill Clinton.

Remember Ross Perot?

yep, he was right about the economy, NAFTA and GAT which G Bush I was for as well as Clinton.
Bush I was an establishment "new world order" (his words) Republican as well.
If he'd have been MORE of a fiscal, social and constitutional conservative Perot would not have had a place as the table.
And the establishment R still don't get it.

[aboutime]

yep, he was right about the economy, NAFTA and GAT which G Bush I was for as well as Clinton.
Bush I was an establishment "new world order" (his words) Republican as well.
If he'd have been MORE of a fiscal, social and constitutional conservative Perot would not have had a place as the table.
And the establishment R still don't get it.

revelarts. So tell us. When did you graduate from the DNC, LIBERAL SCHOOL of Repeated Talking Points? And what score did you get for being so competent at REPEATING those known, repeated Lies?

[fj1200]

Except in Ireland, where it comes down to 6. Telling people they're wasting their vote by voting for who they believe in is the most unamerican thing you could have possibly said at this point. The only waste of a vote that exists is when you vote for a candidate you don't believe in cause the sheep are voting.

Third parties "can't win" because you won't vote for them. You keep voting for the same guys, every time expecting different results from it. You'll note that's pretty close to the definition of insanity.

They have a parliamentarian system; Completely different set of dynamics.

[revelarts]

revelarts. So tell us. When did you graduate from the DNC, LIBERAL SCHOOL of Repeated Talking Points? And what score did you get for being so competent at REPEATING those known, repeated Lies?

whaat?

[aboutime]

whaat?

Oh. That's right. They failed to teach you how to spell simple words like 'what'?