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    Seriously. You can post all the videos you like. It doesn't change the fact that what you consider a beating and what has been discussed at length over hundreds of years between Muslims is a completely different concept.

    Besides, if the Qur'aan is followed, such "beatings" would be extremely rare.

    The verse cannot be used as an excuse to abuse your wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar00 View Post
    Seriously. You can post all the videos you like. It doesn't change the fact that what you consider a beating and what has been discussed at length over hundreds of years between Muslims is a completely different concept.

    Besides, if the Qur'aan is followed, such "beatings" would be extremely rare.

    The verse cannot be used as an excuse to abuse your wife.
    Being Muslim gives NO excuse for a different meaning or the allowance to beat a woman, it's disgraceful no matter what. And you can claim it's not used as an excuse, and yet women are abused highly in EVERY Muslim nation and in more ways than just beatings. The rights of women in Islamic countries is downright despicable. And it's stated in the Quran that a man is superior to women and the Muslim men still treat the women in Islam as such today, and horribly so in some countries. Muslim men are NOT superior to women, not in any way, shape or form. The only time I EVER see Muslim men NOT treating women in such ways is in non-Islamic countries, as they probably hide their actions then, as civilized countries will arrest them for their disgusting treatment of women - which is called ABUSE in any other nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Being Muslim gives NO excuse for a different meaning or the allowance to beat a woman, it's disgraceful no matter what. And you can claim it's not used as an excuse, and yet women are abused highly in EVERY Muslim nation and in more ways than just beatings. The rights of women in Islamic countries is downright despicable. And it's stated in the Quran that a man is superior to women and the Muslim men still treat the women in Islam as such today, and horribly so in some countries. Muslim men are NOT superior to women, not in any way, shape or form. The only time I EVER see Muslim men NOT treating women in such ways is in non-Islamic countries, as they probably hide their actions then, as civilized countries will arrest them for their disgusting treatment of women - which is called ABUSE in any other nation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar00 View Post
    Seriously. You can post all the videos you like. It doesn't change the fact that what you consider a beating and what has been discussed at length over hundreds of years between Muslims is a completely different concept.

    Besides, if the Qur'aan is followed, such "beatings" would be extremely rare.

    The verse cannot be used as an excuse to abuse your wife.


    Denial...I mean, jafar. Look at how you are backing down. Now using another excuse in saying "beatings" would be extremely rare.

    You have just admitted, by mistake, or intentionally that the "BEATINGS" are somehow sanctioned by the "Qur'aan.

    Hypocrisy, Hatred, and Lies are the cornerstone of your excuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar00 View Post
    See http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...796#post581796 for a small list with supporting evidence.


    Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

    First, I'd like you to provide some supporting evidence that sex with 9 year old girls was customary at that time. Please link to your sources for this statement. Marrying a 14 year old girl (post pubescent) is vastly different than marrying a 9 year old girl (pre-pubescent).

    Second, whether or not it was custom at the time is immaterial. Your prophet had sex with a 9 year old girl. Do you approve of that? A simple yes or no is all that is needed here.
    See http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...796#post581796 for a small list with supporting evidence.
    The marriage was consumated at puberty. There are records that she had breasts at the time. As was the custom among thousands of other people 1400 years ago.

    You can come back to me when you also condemn in the same breath...
    * Henry XI of Głogów who married Barbara of Brandenburg when she was 8 y/o
    * Isaac II Angelos the Byzantine emperor who married Margaret of Hungary at the age of 9 y/o
    * Humphrey IV of Toron who married Isabella I of Jerusalem when she was 11 y/o after betrothal at 8
    * Stephen Uroš I (Uros the Great) who was king of Serbia who married Helen of Anjou when she was 9 y/o
    * Stephen Dragutin of Serbia who married Catherine of Hungary, Queen of Serbia at age 11 or 12.
    * King Stephen Uroš II Milutin who married Simonida Nemanjić when she was 5 y/o

    ...... and many more


    Early marriage to unite clans, royal families was normal practise. Girls and boys were betrothed at early ages in order to secure alliances. In fact Aicha's betrothal was intended to strengthen Mohammed's (saw) ties with the family of Abu Bakr (as). She later became one of Islam's most revered figures.

    No more debate is needed on the subject.



    So, as evidence to prove what you say, you offer something else you said without supporting evidence. Are you high, or just stupid?

    Also, I asked for evidence that sex with 9 year old girls was common at the time, not marriage. Even a hack like you should be able to tell the difference.

    As for your examples, please show me a link to a credible source stating they had sex with the a fore mentioned girls. Just to remind you, linking to another one of your own unsubstantiated posts does NOT qualify as evidence or proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    First off, condoning ANY beating of a woman is disgusting and unacceptable.

    Secondly, I find it odd that you went from no proof of beating allowed at all, and now it's light beating with a cloth or miswak.

    Third, you either didn't watch the videos or your denials continue AND you still refuse to see what even Muslim scholars say.

    Lastly, hilarious AND sad that you don't even acknowledge the portions where Allah states men are superior, and the scholars say the same.

    Real life is even better than your denials:

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    Muslim Women are LUCKY to be Beaten!


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    Iranian student arrested and imprisoned for three years, because she refused to wear a Islamic head scarf. After two years in prison Nazanin was then beaten and raped five times.

    Islam and women:

    "Men are the maintainers of women, for Allah has made some better than the other and men spend their wealth on them. Righteous women are thus obedient, guarding the secret which Allah has guarded. Those from whom you fear rebellion, scold them, desert them in the bed and beat them." Quran

    Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.' (Bukhari V7 B62 N30)

    Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." (Bukhari V7 B62 N33)

    "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women). ...You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you...." (Bukhari V1 B6 N301)

    Raping women allowed, even if she's not single: "whom your right hands possess" in Islam means women taken as war booty, sex slave. Muslim men are allowed four wives and slave girls in Islam.

    "Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise." Quran

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Bukhari V7 B62 N137)

    Lewdness punishment:
    "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way." Quran

    Muslim men allowed 4 wives:
    "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice." Quran 4:3

    Prophet Muhammad had more:
    Narrated Anas: The Prophet I used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives. (Bukhari V7 B62 N6)

    Pimping non Muslim women allowed (women taken as war booty):

    "do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; [And here's the freedom to pimp card:] and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." Quran

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    Wife Beating in Islam - "Men have authority over women"


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    I strongly urge everybody to watch that first video, where the young Iranian woman was sent to prison for three years, beaten , raped 5 times and how they broke her leg, left it for days unattended with maggots in it and how that leg looks now -absolutely grotesque, they deliberately did that to this woman's leg to disfigure her body because she refused to wear a scarf on her head. Folks , these kinds of animals need to be destroyed!! They are far , far worse than even the NAZI'S WERE! We in the West have no concept of how truly brutal they are!!! Of how truly intolerant they are! --Tyr
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    Tyr. In spite of each of those graphic video's you posted below. Jafar will, and must find some way to further DENY the authenticity, or the facts shown.

    It's just the way the Defenders of Violet, Radical Islam, and Muslim thinking must speak.

    It's actually a small wonder that 'jafar'..."Denial", hasn't stolen Gabby's Bragging Rights, and her line about being the Smartest here.

    Liars honestly have no idea they are lying. They have been trained to lie so much, and so often...almost from Birth. They have no idea, or concept that would cause them to reverse their Hate-filled thinking, or change for anyone.

    Fear of being exposed as a Liar is minor, compared to their need to always get the lastword.jpg only they can speak.
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