Back Sharia law or go to hell

[jimnyc]

Yes I agree that Iran's system of law is flawed. Shia'ism is a terrible religion.

Next Question.

I didn't realize Shariah law was only in Iran? Seemed like his legit comment, which is VERY true to my understanding, was about Shariah in general, which basically is used as a tool to discriminate against women. About 90+% of stories that I hear about people being "punished" based on Sharia Law turns out to be women. Not to say it never happens to men, but men are certainly favored.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Yes I agree that Iran's system of law is flawed. Shia'ism is a terrible religion.

Next Question.

My next question is the one you failed to answer...

When was the last time anyone saw a story about a Sharia Law case where they mentioned the punishment of the man or men involved in a murder or rape???

[Marcus Aurelius]

BTW, just so everyone knows where I am coming from, as I am a 'newbie' here... My issue is with Sharia law, not Islam. I know a fair amount about Islam as it is meant to be practiced, and find quite a lot of good in it. Contrarily, I find quite a lot bad in Sharia.

[aboutime]

BTW, just so everyone knows where I am coming from, as I am a 'newbie' here... My issue is with Sharia law, not Islam. I know a fair amount about Islam as it is meant to be practiced, and find quite a lot of good in it. Contrarily, I find quite a lot bad in Sharia.

Marcus. Go right ahead and speak your mind. I do believe. It's a safe bet. Everyone will accept all that you have to offer here.

Our biggest complaints are. Those who constantly use hyperbole, fabrications, and downright Lies to express themselves here.

Usually those things come from members who are convinced. Only they are capable of producing the information, they insist is true. And they are under the impression that the rest of us are so terribly uneducated...compared to them. That we MUST be wrong. Without any doubt.

Honesty, and Truth cannot be changed. Like Mark Twain said...marktwaingood.jpg

[Marcus Aurelius]

Marcus. Go right ahead and speak your mind. I do believe. It's a safe bet. Everyone will accept all that you have to offer here.

Our biggest complaints are. Those who constantly use hyperbole, fabrications, and downright Lies to express themselves here.

Usually those things come from members who are convinced. Only they are capable of producing the information, they insist is true. And they are under the impression that the rest of us are so terribly uneducated...compared to them. That we MUST be wrong. Without any doubt.

Honesty, and Truth cannot be changed. Like Mark Twain said...marktwaingood.jpg

Oh, I am completely used to dealing with those kind of posters from my old board. They are generally easy enough to handle, although they tend not to actually be smart enough to 'know' they've been handled

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

BTW, just so everyone knows where I am coming from, as I am a 'newbie' here... My issue is with Sharia law, not Islam. I know a fair amount about Islam as it is meant to be practiced, and find quite a lot of good in it. Contrarily, I find quite a lot bad in Sharia.

Sharia law is as much a part of Islam as is Jihad. Both are curses upon mankind but will never be seperated from the religious/political/militant cult.-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Sharia law is as much a part of Islam as is Jihad. Both are curses upon mankind but will never be seperated from the religious/political/militant cult.-Tyr

Are you playing Nostradamus again ? History shows us that violent and oppressive religions can reform.

[Drummond]

Likewise, are Muslims the only villains? The previous government in Egypt was to blame for much of the strife. Some members of the interior ministry are up on charges of terrorism for bombing the Church in Alex and blaming it on the Salafis because Mubarak was afraid of "Islamists". I was enough to have a beard back then to be harassed by the police.

Now, why would Mubarak be afraid of Islamists ? Aren't Islamists warm, cuddly types committed to their 'religion of peace' ?

Maybe he understood that Muslims were capable of .. I quote .. 'In Marsa Matrouh, a mob of 3,000 Muslims attacked the city's Coptic population, with 400 Copts having to barricade themselves in their church while the mob destroyed 18 homes, 23 shops and 16 cars.'

Not just one or two, there, Jafar - THREE THOUSAND OF THEM ...

My link showed you that the Copts had taken considerable persecution over a long period .. but, sure enough, you glossed over all of that. You persist in slanting things to try and fail to recognise that Muslims can be, and HAVE BEEN, the instigators of violence and much worse besides.

Jafar, if you're so against violent Muslims and consider them an aberration in Islamic terms, why do you not choose to speak out against that ? Why try to sanitise the truth instead, or brush it all under the carpet, in the hope that nobody will take you up on it ?

[Dilloduck]

Now, why would Mubarak be afraid of Islamists ? Aren't Islamists warm, cuddly types committed to their 'religion of peace' ?

Maybe he understood that Muslims were capable of .. I quote .. 'In Marsa Matrouh, a mob of 3,000 Muslims attacked the city's Coptic population, with 400 Copts having to barricade themselves in their church while the mob destroyed 18 homes, 23 shops and 16 cars.'

Not just one or two, there, Jafar - THREE THOUSAND OF THEM ...

My link showed you that the Copts had taken considerable persecution over a long period .. but, sure enough, you glossed over all of that. You persist in slanting things to try and fail to recognise that Muslims can be, and HAVE BEEN, the instigators of violence and much worse besides.

Jafar, if you're so against violent Muslims and consider them an aberration in Islamic terms, why do you not choose to speak out against that ? Why try to sanitise the truth instead, or brush it all under the carpet, in the hope that nobody will take you up on it ?

I think there are quite enough bigots who choose to only condemn Islam instead of talk about it's good points. I think we can handle someone defending the religion without being compelled to present a "balanced" report.

[Drummond]

I think there are quite enough bigots who choose to only condemn Islam instead of talk about it's good points. I think we can handle someone defending the religion without being compelled to present a "balanced" report.

.... umm ... you're against balanced reports, Dilloduck ?

Imagine you're a reporter in New York City, trying to interview a survivor of the 9/11 attack there .. and the person you were interviewing had just learned that Al Qaeda had been identified as being behind the attack. You say to the interviewee .. 'I think there are quite enough bigots who choose to only condemn Islam instead of talk about it's good points.'

What do you think would've been the response, Dilloduck ?

[Dilloduck]

.... umm ... you're against balanced reports, Dilloduck ?

Imagine you're a reporter in New York City, trying to interview a survivor of the 9/11 attack there .. and the person you were interviewing had just learned that Al Qaeda had been identified as being behind the attack. You say to the interviewee .. 'I think there are quite enough bigots who choose to only condemn Islam instead of talk about it's good points.'

What do you think would've been the response, Dilloduck ?

This isn't 9/11 and we aren't interviewing anyone. It's a political discussion forum. There are no requiremnets for someone to present every side of a story to participate. The bigots certainly don't and I don't expect them too.

[Drummond]

This isn't 9/11 and we aren't interviewing anyone. It's a political discussion forum. There are no requiremnets for someone to present every side of a story to participate. The bigots certainly don't and I don't expect them too.

True, this is a political discussion forum (for the most part ... although it also has a 'religion/ethics' section, too ..).

But can you show me evidence that discussion of 9/11 is banned on this forum ? Or, more peripheral issues connected with it ?

As for someone being required to present 'every side of a story to participate', I don't understand your point. Where have I tried to argue that someone deliberately choosing NOT to present every side, should be prevented from participation ?

That's wholly different, Dilloduck, to the act of striving to prove that a certain side is being ignored. I have the right to do this. By what process should I be prevented from doing so ?

[Dilloduck]

True, this is a political discussion forum (for the most part ... although it also has a 'religion/ethics' section, too ..).

But can you show me evidence that discussion of 9/11 is banned on this forum ? Or, more peripheral issues connected with it ?

As for someone being required to present 'every side of a story to participate', I don't understand your point. Where have I tried to argue that someone deliberately choosing NOT to present every side, should be prevented from participation ?

That's wholly different, Dilloduck, to the act of striving to prove that a certain side is being ignored. I have the right to do this. By what process should I be prevented from doing so ?

I never said 9/11 is a forbidden topic. It's just that when you drag into a discussion as a strawman it's tiresome.

Go ahead--try to prove that Jafar is avoiding the negative. You have already proved you ignore the positive.

[Drummond]

I never said 9/11 is a forbidden topic. It's just that when you drag into a discussion as a strawman it's tiresome.

Go ahead--try to prove that Jafar is avoiding the negative. You have already proved you ignore the positive.

What's really 'tiresome', Dilloduck (and WAY more, besides), is watching attitudes mutate from initial shock and revulsion, this caused by people forcibly being made to confront the awful reality of what Islam can happily visit upon ordinary, law-abiding citizens .. to a point where, years later, a manifestation of political correctness can require people to be thought of as possibly 'bigoted' if they fail to think 'happy, happy' thoughts about the very creed that murdered 3,000 people on a bloodlust-fuelled whim.

I've nothing to prove where Jafar is concerned .. his posts speak for him, and my replies are clear enough. The point is already made that Jafar sees Islam through rose-coloured glasses, and absolutely insists upon doing so, no matter how much evidence comes his way to suggest that the picture he paints is a highly distorted one (and that's putting it diplomatically).

You say I 'ignore the positive', Dilloduck ? Wrong. For example, I could say that Hitler was known to be charming company to some of his friends and supporters. Now, how's that for really reaching for something positive to say ?? HOWEVER, it doesn't mitigate everything else he got up to, now, does it ??

Extend that principle, now, to Islam.

See my point ?

[Dilloduck]

What's really 'tiresome', Dilloduck (and WAY more, besides), is watching attitudes mutate from initial shock and revulsion, this caused by people forcibly being made to confront the awful reality of what Islam can happily visit upon ordinary, law-abiding citizens .. to a point where, years later, a manifestation of political correctness can require people to be thought of as possibly 'bigoted' if they fail to think 'happy, happy' thoughts about the very creed that murdered 3,000 people on a bloodlust-fuelled whim.

I've nothing to prove where Jafar is concerned .. his posts speak for him, and my replies are clear enough. The point is already made that Jafar sees Islam through rose-coloured glasses, and absolutely insists upon doing so, no matter how much evidence comes his way to suggest that the picture he paints is a highly distorted one (and that's putting it diplomatically).

You say I 'ignore the positive', Dilloduck ? Wrong. For example, I could say that Hitler was known to be charming company to some of his friends and supporters. Now, how's that for really reaching for something positive to say ?? HOWEVER, it doesn't mitigate everything else he got up to, now, does it ??

Extend that principle, now, to Islam.

See my point ?

9/11 was an act of criminal terrorism. It is NOT an example of Islam as practiced by millions. ALL muslims are not evil killers. Begging for your debate opponent to concede your point is evidence that you can't make it yourself.