States need to start their own volunteer militia's!!

[fj1200]

Sure, monitoring them by giving them years to train recruits. Thats some kind of monitoring....
most folks would call that aiding..-Tyr

So... no evidence?

[fj1200]

jafar. The OBL master of distortion, hatred, and little comprehension that happily twists words to meet his ignorant demands.

Twisting words or challenging a premise?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So... no evidence?

Just a bit dense arent ya? Over 8 years of "monitoring " with no action taken against those camps is the evidence !
Funny, how you missed that..-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

They're already here.

http://www.military.com/video/operat.../660940716001/

They have one camp in Texas. Why hasnt the Texas Rangers shut down that camp? The states do not have to wait on federal approval. The federal government is a willing ally thanks to CAIR. At least 8 years of monitoring but no camps shut down! How many thousands have been trained? Allowing that training to go on for at least 8 years is aiding and abetting by any standard IMHO.-Tyr

[logroller]

They have one camp in Texas. Why hasnt the Texas Rangers shut down that camp? The states do not have to wait on federal approval. The federal government is a willing ally thanks to CAIR. At least 8 years of monitoring but no camps shut down! How many thousands have been trained? Allowing that training to go on for at least 8 years is aiding and abetting by any standard IMHO.-Tyr

your opinion doesn't count for much...IMHO.
Not that mine does either though, right?
how about you state the legal standard for aiding and abetting. Then show evidential support.
I believe I have already refuted the premise a priori; but I'd love to see the support for your argument.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

your opinion doesn't count for much...IMHO.
Not that mine does either though, right?
how about you state the legal standard for aiding and abetting. Then show evidential support.
I believe I have already refuted the premise a priori; but I'd love to see the support for your argument.

Why should I if my opinion counts so little to you or anybody else? Does one really need to discuss common sense reality as if they are lawyers?
I resized your most accurate point in your post so you'd remember it vividly amigo.. . Any reason you think I should try to convince you of what I know to be true? Especially when I have a few previous encounters in memory of our little debates.
You see dude your opinion counts no more than mine because the truth does not depend on how eloquently either one of us can post.
8 long years and they have trained how many hundreds or how many thousands in those camps? How is not allowing that a form of aiding? Lets just say they allow another 8 years and why not they allowed the first 8 years!! Then would it be aiding if they allowed 16 years of training? What number is the cut off point to stop it?
How many thousands should our government let them train ?
Got answers or is your opposition just made because I am the OP?
We need no law degrees to use common sense. We need no justification to state our opinions as citizens and exspress our wishes.
Seems our government found plenty of reasons to go in and break up any other religious groups and many were not doing the para-military training this group is doing!-Tyr

[logroller]

Why should I if my opinion counts so little to you or anybody else? Does one really need to discuss common sense reality as if they are lawyers?
I resized your most accurate point in your post so you'd remember it vividly amigo.. . Any reason you think I should try to convince you of what I know to be true? Especially when I have a few previous encounters in memory of our little debates.
You see dude your opinion counts no more than mine because the truth does not depend on how eloquently either one of us can post.
8 long years and they have trained how many hundreds or how many thousands in those camps? How is not allowing that a form of aiding? Lets just say they allow another 8 years and why not they allowed the first 8 years!! Then would it be aiding if they allowed 16 years of training? What number is the cut off point to stop it?
How many thousands should our government let them train ?
Got answers or is your opposition just made because I am the OP?
We need no law degrees to use common sense. We need no justification to state our opinions as citizens and exspress our wishes.
Seems our government found plenty of reasons to go in and break up any other religious groups and many were not doing the para-military training this group is doing!-Tyr

I'm merely asked for you to offer support for your opinion using legal methodology. I dont have a law degree. I use google. If you wish to refrain from legal discussion, id suggest you do not speak in legal terms, ie aiding and abetting, standards etc. As I'm sure you are aware, you posted this in the US Constitution section. That's a law; as such, its consideration is inherently legal. Scotus gives the legal reasoning for their opinions. Agree or disagree, at least it's proferred. I offered the constitutional text regarding militias, as well as the legal concerns of aiding and abetting. You failed to even respond to those facts; yet you claim truth is what you have spoke to.
You claim truth, but truth is faith-based. I have little faith in you, as you I-- thats why I asked you to offer logical support based in legal terms-- because i assume most people have more faith in the law than you or me. If you want to speak about opinions on current events, there's a section for that. Although, given the context of a policy debate site, I'm doubtful there's any reasonable expectation that legal consideration shoukd be refrained from. Regardless, if you think you can post "IMHO" after a blatantly false statement and not get called on it, you're mistaken.
As for these camps, lets say a few hundred may have been trained, perhaps even a few thousand. But even that number pales in comparison to the half a million armed civilian militiamen. Not to mention, I went to the gun club and saw no less than 50 armed and responsible citizens; and with several thousand members, how much of a threat are these camp members, really?
Additionally, the guy in the video said these camps were constitutional under state and federal law. Care to dispute that with facts and evidence, or just more opinion?

[gabosaurus]

Los Angeles has had volunteer militias for years. They are called "gangs."

[fj1200]

Just a bit dense arent ya? Over 8 years of "monitoring " with no action taken against those camps is the evidence !
Funny, how you missed that..-Tyr

I didn't miss it, in fact it's direct evidence against your claim.

They have one camp in Texas. Why hasnt the Texas Rangers shut down that camp? The states do not have to wait on federal approval. The federal government is a willing ally thanks to CAIR. At least 8 years of monitoring but no camps shut down! How many thousands have been trained? Allowing that training to go on for at least 8 years is aiding and abetting by any standard IMHO.-Tyr

Tell us why please, without the conspiratorial ranting though.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm merely asked for you to offer support for your opinion using legal methodology. I dont have a law degree. I use google. If you wish to refrain from legal discussion, id suggest you do not speak in legal terms, ie aiding and abetting, standards etc. As I'm sure you are aware, you posted this in the US Constitution section. That's a law; as such, its consideration is inherently legal. Scotus gives the legal reasoning for their opinions. Agree or disagree, at least it's proferred. I offered the constitutional text regarding militias, as well as the legal concerns of aiding and abetting. You failed to even respond to those facts; yet you claim truth is what you have spoke to.
You claim truth, but truth is faith-based. I have little faith in you, as you I-- thats why I asked you to offer logical support based in legal terms-- because i assume most people have more faith in the law than you or me. If you want to speak about opinions on current events, there's a section for that. Although, given the context of a policy debate site, I'm doubtful there's any reasonable expectation that legal consideration shoukd be refrained from. Regardless, if you think you can post "IMHO" after a blatantly false statement and not get called on it, you're mistaken.
As for these camps, lets say a few hundred may have been trained, perhaps even a few thousand. But even that number pales in comparison to the half a million armed civilian militiamen. Not to mention, I went to the gun club and saw no less than 50 armed and responsible citizens; and with several thousand members, how much of a threat are these camp members, really?

How many of those 50 armed citizens were there training using exsplosives and methods of how to kill security guards by throating cutting or strangling from behind, etc??? While you gloss over the real murdering activities these muslim radicals are training for I do not. You havent changed , still the same shill you were before you left. Still posting lame excuses to defend muslims as you did before. Then you attempt to belittle the training of such muslim terrorists with, belittling the number of them that are trained comparing it to our half million armed civilian militiamen! As if allowing the training is justified because we have superior numbers ! You even think like a terrorist sympathiser, for we hear such lame responses about Hamas and other terrorists groups when ISRAEL BLASTTS THEIR SORRY MURDERING ASSES WITH SUPERIOR WEAPONS AND TECHNOLOGY! You present no true wish to properly examine this and find out why our government has given them 8 years to train. All you seek to do is discredit me by any method possible, is that what your little vacation from here was all about? I need not your advice on where or how I post, see the Constitution on freedom of speech. I asked Gaffer a question specific about why the Texas Rangers have not taken action to shut down that terrorist training camp in Texas and you come on attempting to defend our government allowing 8 years of terrorist training right here on American soil. Piss off, I will not debate such outrageous behaviour with you . You are still a shill. And I think quite possibly you are a muslim too, because you seek every chance possible to defend them and attack those that oppose them.. . Or else you are just an avowed muslim appeasor,which is just as bad in my book ..
Our government attacked and murdered a few Christian groups that were doing far less para-military type training but now when its muslims doing far worse they get 8 years and running to keep on training murderers which you try to defend! Your true colors come forth everytime Islam is attacked for its hatred and campaign of worldwide murder and your posts yet again reveal that dedication! --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I didn't miss it, in fact it's direct evidence against your claim.

Bullshat, it direct proof of the fact our government has taken no action and has allowed hundreds or thousands of radical muslims to be trained to murder!-Tyr

Tell us why please, without the conspiratorial ranting though.

The facts and the video are not ranting. Your silly demand that I present more is whats insane. I am not there investigation,but obvious to anybody that 8 years is far too long to allow this crap and that it is insane to allow that many terrorists to be trained! 8 years and still running, for how many more years and how many more trained terrorist murderers?----Tyr

What you miss is our government has taken far ,far more drastic actions for far , far less reason but here again absolutely refuses to do so when The party is muslims. Its this very special exemption that points to a very grave reality. That our government has allied with them in some manner AND FOR SOME INSANE REASON BE IT OUT OF FEAR OR OTHERWISE IMHO.-Tyr

[fj1200]

Bullshat, it direct proof of the fact our government has taken no action and has allowed hundreds or thousands of radical muslims to be trained to murder!

I didn't say I disagreed. I asked for evidence that BO was "running those camps."

The facts and the video are not ranting. Your silly demand that I present more is whats insane. I am not there investigation,but obvious to anybody that 8 years is far too long to allow this crap and that it is insane to allow that many terrorists to be trained! 8 years and still running, for how many more years and how many more trained terrorist murderers?

I didn't say the video was ranting. I merely asked why the Texas Rangers hadn't shut them down?

What you miss is our government has taken far ,far more drastic actions for far , far less reason but here again absolutely refuses to do so when The party is muslims. Its this very special exemption that points to a very grave reality. That our government has allied with them in some manner AND FOR SOME INSANE REASON BE IT OUT OF FEAR OR OTHERWISE IMHO.

Do you have evidence of the "exemption"? Besides the circumstantial kind?

[revelarts]

Muslims training in camps in the U.S. are Real. If we think they are doing it without the full knowledge of the Feds and State we're not thinking clearly.
When folks looked into the Oklahoma City Bombing Militia group they found just as many agents and informants mixed in the crowd as there were real Militia nutjobs. Some knew about the others, some didn't.

Bush knew about these training camps, Obama knows about them, the CIA FBI ATF NSA etc etc know about them. Unless they all drop the ball, or some small faction of the gov't decides to use them for their own purposes, or the gov't trys some fast and furious BS. these people are phone call away from a homeland drone strike or arrest.

But as i mentioned before, If the terrorist really want to put fear in American people and shut down the country or turn it into a police state overnight for Obama or Romney or whoever. it would not be hard. As Jesse Ventura mentioned he and a team of 12 snipers in 6 cities across the U.S. could shut down DC, NewYork, Miami, Chicago, Dallas, LA and Kansas city with just rifles.

It's a wonder to me that it hasn't been done already, It's another reason why I question the seriousness of the Alquida/terrorist threat. And if you notice every one of the FBI sting operations in the U.S. involves some bungling ignorant novice, lead by the nose, terrorist wanna be , not someone from these training camps, (or Iranian sleeper) who's a serious self motivated threat.

strange world

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I didn't say I disagreed. I asked for evidence that BO was "running those camps."


I didn't say the video was ranting. I merely asked why the Texas Rangers hadn't shut them down?


Do you have evidence of the "exemption"? Besides the circumstantial kind?

Do you see any evidence after 8 years that anybody has tried to stop the training of murdering terrorists in those camps? Or that the magicboy BO is on the case now? 8 years of being allowed to train muslim terrorist murderers is far more than circumstantial pedro. Some of which have already been caught doing their dirty work here in USA. YET WE ALLOW THE CAMPS TO FLOURISH AND PROSPER. Thats more "aiding" than it is --"monitoring"--- by any reasonable standard...Exactly how many more years of "monitoring" would be enough? Ten, twenty or 40? Enough that they can train many tens of thousands!??-TYR

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Muslims training in camps in the U.S. are Real. If we think they are doing it without the full knowledge of the Feds and State we're not thinking clearly.
When folks looked into the Oklahoma City Bombing Militia group they found just as many agents and informants mixed in the crowd as there were real Militia nutjobs. Some knew about the others, some didn't.

Bush knew about these training camps, Obama knows about them, the CIA FBI ATF NSA etc etc know about them. Unless they all drop the ball, or some small faction of the gov't decides to use them for their own purposes, or the gov't trys some fast and furious BS. these people are phone call away from a homeland drone strike or arrest.

But as i mentioned before, If the terrorist really want to put fear in American people and shut down the country or turn it into a police state overnight for Obama or Romney or whoever. it would not be hard. As Jesse Ventura mentioned he and a team of 12 snipers in 6 cities across the U.S. could shut down DC, NewYork, Miami, Chicago, Dallas, LA and Kansas city with just rifles.

It's a wonder to me that it hasn't been done already, It's another reason why I question the seriousness of the Alquida/terrorist threat. And if you notice every one of the FBI sting operations in the U.S. involves some bungling ignorant novice, lead by the nose, terrorist wanna be , not someone from these training camps, (or Iranian sleeper) who's a serious self motivated threat.

strange world

Some trained in these camps have already been caught here doing their dirty deeds. Yet 8 years later the camps still exist and are growing. We should -ALL- be asking why this is so!! --Tyr

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/sp...-north-america

They own this mountain and they know it, and there is nothing we can do about it but move, and we can’t even do that. Who wants to buy property next to that?”
Jamaat al Fuqra, a terrorist organization founded by Sheik Mubarek Ali Shah Gilani, the Islamic cleric Daniel Pearl was attempting to interview when he was kidnapped, and a group that has been linked to over two-dozen murders and fire-bombings inside the U.S., maintains active training compounds inside the United States. Perhaps the largest – and their operational headquarters, is situated on 70 acres nestled in a remote and heavily secluded area on the western edge of the Catskill Mountains in New York state, about 40 miles southeast of Binghamton, NY.