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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    GDP has risen and that is the primary indicator of recession/growth. It has not grown dramatically but considering the depth of the recession that is a good thing. Too fast an expansion would leave the economy open to radical downfalls. Slow and steady is a more secure but frustrating growth.
    It has risen, just barely, and hasn't really affected any of the other indicators. While it's risen a miniscule growth, unemployment still blows, gas prices are killing people, cost to eat has risen, the debt has went up like 45%, incomes per household have went down, poverty level increased, welfare has skyrocketed, food stamps up by 45 million, credit downgraded 2x, worst job creation in like 70 years, health insurance up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Where I live the economy is growing nicely. Construction is up, housing is up and outside of the midwest drought making food go up early next year i can see no reason to expect any slowdown regardless of tax increases.
    We will have a clearer picture in six month's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Before President Obama Took Office and Now
    That is one key of the misconception that many people have. Outside of unemployment the rest are legacy facts. Fuel is governed by the futures market.
    Just toss aside unemployment? LOL The numbers are useless to those without jobs! And the debt increasing like a geyser?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    It has risen, just barely, and hasn't really affected any of the other indicators. While it's risen a miniscule growth, unemployment still blows, gas prices are killing people, cost to eat has risen, the debt has went up like 45%, incomes per household have went down, poverty level increased, welfare has skyrocketed, food stamps up by 45 million, credit downgraded 2x, worst job creation in like 70 years, health insurance up...
    As fuel and transportation are out of the presidents hands, the futures market controls crude oil and fuel prices, and the large part of the rest are legacy problems you should be glad it is not worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    We will have a clearer picture in six month's time.
    Yes we will. I hope the situation gets better for the entire nation and not just the area in which I live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    As fuel and transportation are out of the presidents hands, the futures market controls crude oil and fuel prices, and the large part of the rest are legacy problems you should be glad it is not worse.
    So whatever is good, is from Obama, and anything that reflects poorly, is from predecessors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    As fuel and transportation are out of the presidents hands, the futures market controls crude oil and fuel prices, and the large part of the rest are legacy problems you should be glad it is not worse.

    Not true April15. Mister Obama has the power to eliminate, and stop all of the unnecessary additives placed on gasoline, with the stroke of a pen. And he also has the power to sign legislation that would STOP the newer, higher taxes on ENERGY that electric generating plants will soon be forced to increase...passing on those higher costs to US...WE THE PEOPLE....the consumers.

    So. You cannot honestly say fuel and transportation are out of his hands. But then. If you defend Obama. YOU MUST BE RIGHT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    So whatever is good, is from Obama, and anything that reflects poorly, is from predecessors?
    Why would you think that? There are legacy issues and then there are those things that need to have co operation from the other side of the aisle. The one that has been quoted as wanting Obama to fail and be a one term president regardless the cost. Mitch McConnell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Not true April15. Mister Obama has the power to eliminate, and stop all of the unnecessary additives placed on gasoline, with the stroke of a pen. And he also has the power to sign legislation that would STOP the newer, higher taxes on ENERGY that electric generating plants will soon be forced to increase...passing on those higher costs to US...WE THE PEOPLE....the consumers.

    So. You cannot honestly say fuel and transportation are out of his hands. But then. If you defend Obama. YOU MUST BE RIGHT!
    The cost of fuel is dictated by the futures market. I for one like the clean air that is such an improvement to the air of my childhood thanks to California's very strict air policies.
    I have solar so I do not have to face any generation tax. I do not believe California will have any coal tax.
    I can say that fuel and transportation costs are out of his hands. The notion of pollution before people is not negotiable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    So why does none of the supposed "increase" affect my families tax? I know why because I planned ahead!
    Did Obama send you enough information so you don't have to pay more taxes?

    I understand his pals get treated very well.


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    Default So you see Obama as quite helpless

    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    The cost of fuel is dictated by the futures market. I for one like the clean air that is such an improvement to the air of my childhood thanks to California's very strict air policies.
    I have solar so I do not have to face any generation tax. I do not believe California will have any coal tax.
    I can say that fuel and transportation costs are out of his hands. The notion of pollution before people is not negotiable.
    I have presented Obama as an empty suit but you seem to paint him as a helpless empty suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Why would you think that? There are legacy issues and then there are those things that need to have co operation from the other side of the aisle. The one that has been quoted as wanting Obama to fail and be a one term president regardless the cost. Mitch McConnell.
    You must appreciate Ronald Reagan who signed into laws the CARB laws and CA is the only state that has it's own rules. All other states must either use the CA laws or the Fed laws.

    It was the goal of Democrats to make GW Bush a one term president. Did you notice us whining when that was their goal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Have the Bush cuts given you more cash? Most likely not. To return to the pre Bush rates is not bad.
    Proper planning only works for some people not all.
    And the repeal of Glass-Steagall is what precipitated this latest recession/depression. And a big thanks to The Ray Goon for starting the repeal.
    The Bush cuts gave almost all workers more cash; you doubt this? Besides, tax rates are not indicative of tax revenues as your tax planning statement posit is in agreement.

    Glass-Steagall? Not the problem and you might want to double check who signed the DIDMCA (hint: not Reagan) and who chearleaded G-S deregulation (hint: not Bush).

    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    I would say the economy is growing. Just not as fast as many would like. One of this nations biggist problems for growth is we make nothing here anymore to sell on the world market. We are a consumer nation by default from the offshoring of manufacturing.
    We make plenty of products here, just not of the labor intensive sort. Besides, "what is the point of production if not consumption."

    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Where I live the economy is growing nicely. Construction is up, housing is up and outside of the midwest drought making food go up early next year i can see no reason to expect any slowdown regardless of tax increases.
    Growing nicely? Every indicator from this government-led recession has grown less vigorously than all other recent recessions that have been tax cut led or even with government neutral policies. But I can see how where you live is the perfect barometer for the rest of the country. I mean CA is in a wonderful position right?

    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    GDP has risen and that is the primary indicator of recession/growth. It has not grown dramatically but considering the depth of the recession that is a good thing. Too fast an expansion would leave the economy open to radical downfalls. Slow and steady is a more secure but frustrating growth.
    You honestly believe that? Recessions usually recover similar to how they were started, shallow recession - shallow growth; deep recession - vigorous growth. Tell all the unemployed/underemployed that slow and steady is good for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    As fuel and transportation are out of the presidents hands, the futures market controls crude oil and fuel prices, and the large part of the rest are legacy problems you should be glad it is not worse.
    Futures markets don't control spot prices. Legacy problems? How long do we get to blame legacy problems on the Democrats who took control in January of '07. I'd think they'd have a handle on it by now considering all the budgets they've passed... oh wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert A Whit View Post
    You must appreciate Ronald Reagan who signed into laws the CARB laws and CA is the only state that has it's own rules. All other states must either use the CA laws or the Fed laws.

    It was the goal of Democrats to make GW Bush a one term president. Did you notice us whining when that was their goal?
    The Ray Goon had very little choice on CARB.
    As for Bonsai no one had to "try" to make him a one term putz. His presidency is right next to The Ray Goons as worst for America.
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