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    Default Let's have that conversation on Guns, okay?

    Spot on. Liberals...read this. Change your point of view because your point of view is not just dangerous, it's wrong.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/kurts...596/page/full/

    First, let’s talk about some common ground. It was not news to anyone that the creep in Newtown had mental problems. I am not discounting his evil, but the fact is he clearly had mental issues. Can we agree that we need to look carefully at whether society can do a better job dealing with people like this before they crack up? Doesn’t it make sense to deal with people who might be a threat instead of depriving millions of innocent, law-abiding Americans of their rights?
    Let’s return to the fact that we have nowhere near enough guns on the streets. In many states, concealed carry laws have been changed to allow citizens the ability to defend themselves nearly everywhere. The bloodbath liberals expected never materialized. Instead, crime fell. It turns out that ordinary American citizens don’t turn into to sociopaths in the presence of a Glock 19.
    Let’s talk about how all American citizens should share this right, because many don’t. In California, I need my local sheriff to sign off that I’m competent. I served 25 years in the military with two tours in hostile fire zones. I carried weapons in uniform deployed to fires, earthquakes and riots. I oversaw the weapons training of thousands of soldiers. The government even spent tens of thousands investigating me, and then gave me a security clearance.
    California considers me unfit to carry a gun outside my home. This is ridiculous.
    Since we are conversing about guns, let me share some gun insights since liberals often don’t know anything about them (Memo to the Media: Please learn what an “automatic” weapon is and isn’t. Please.) First, I don’t like carrying guns. I’ve spent several years of my life carrying guns and I don’t enjoy it. They are heavy and dirty and you are always aware you have it and you must behave accordingly. Guns are a pain. I would only carry one because the pain of watching people butchered while I looked on helplessly is immeasurably worse.
    Let’s also talk about this assumption that a citizen with a handgun out in public is no match for a creep in a vest with a long weapon. True, I’d rather have a long weapon myself, but I’m pretty sure that as I try to make a head shot his full attention (and his gun fire) are all going to be focused on me instead of on some kid. I doubt anyone with a concealed carry permit wants to get shot, but while it may not be in tune with the tenor of these selfish times, I’d prefer that if someone had to get shot it be me facing the enemy instead of a civilian shot in the back.
    Let’s talk about “gun free zones” too. Liberals love talking about “science” and “logic,” yet their magical thinking when it comes to guns is staggering. Let’s call “gun free zones” what they are – killing zones.

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    dmp. Honestly talking about guns here, would be as successful, or beneficial to Liberals who hate guns, as trying to talk with Jesse Jackson about how he has managed to Distort....for Money, the Racial, Discrimination, and Bigotry problems that he NEEDS to perpetuate the Divide of Americans.

    In other words. Your attempts are to be welcomed, and applauded. But we all know. They fall on Deaf Ears.
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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    A great posting in my opinion. Americans should have a truthful and serious debate about guns without all the government/leftist/liberal lies and propaganda tossed in the mix to muddy the waters so to speak. . One must be knowledgeable about guns, their history and their valid uses to be able to make correct decisions about such. A gun is a tool, it does not get up and walk around by itself slaying people. Teach a thing called "personal responsibility" and the gun problem as presented by the anti-gun people goes away.--Tyr
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    dmp, that is fine. Now what is your solution for dealing with people before they crack. What is your plan? We either take away weapons or deal with the people. Deal with people is fine. What is the plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    dmp, that is fine. Now what is your solution for dealing with people before they crack. What is your plan? We either take away weapons or deal with the people. Deal with people is fine. What is the plan?

    So - you agree with the piece? AWESOME! Very liberated of you to not be closed-minded.

    Already against the law in most places for those who 'crack' to have legal access to firearms. Sometimes those who crack steal weapons though.
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    Default What wouild you guys say to this idea?

    Suppose that using a gun to commit a crime, upon found guilty, being swiftly executed?

    Execution should commence by 30 days.

    I mean all crimes, Not necessary to kill or shoot anybody.

    Can the left live with that?

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    These guys are GREAT and EFFECTIVE at preventing crime. Should we invite them here and pass the same laws they operate under?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert A Whit View Post
    Suppose that using a gun to commit a crime, upon found guilty, being swiftly executed?

    Execution should commence by 30 days.

    I mean all crimes, Not necessary to kill or shoot anybody.

    Can the left live with that?
    No way would the leftists/liberals/dems go for such swift and decisive action. They preach that coddling the criminals is the correct path to take.
    Of course if that were reality they would twist it to include people that used a gun for defense of life, hearth and home. So it could never be a solution IMHO.-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyr-ziu saxnot View Post
    no way would the constitution...
    ftfy
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    ftfy , that hurts my refined sensibilities. truth is not a good thing.
    ^^^^ Why do you say that??---Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    ^^^^ Why do you say that??---Tyr
    I try not to ignore the Constitution even when it doesn't say what I want it to say. Call me silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I try not to ignore the Constitution even when it doesn't say what I want it to say. Call me silly.
    As do I... Call me crazy but I believe I said it wasn't a solution. Should I have listed the many reasons why to satisfy your curiosity? I gave the informed readers here the benefit of the doubt about already having the basic understanding of the Constitution and the Rule of Law. -Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    As do I... Call me crazy but I believe I said it wasn't a solution. Should I have listed the many reasons why to satisfy your curiosity? I gave the informed readers here the benefit of the doubt about already having the basic understanding of the Constitution and the Rule of Law. -Tyr
    You're "not a solution" involved laying everything at the feet of the "leftists/liberals/dems..."

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    No way would the leftists/liberals/dems go for such...
    ... when a simple, "wow, that's unconstitutional man," would have sufficed and been more correct. Acknowledging that our justice system is imperfect and would result in an untenable number of people being put to death for a crime for which they were innocent would have been nice as well but I know that it would not have been forthcoming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    ... basic understanding of the Constitution and the Rule of Law. -Tyr
    Did you figure out that you called the Founding Fathers a bunch of leftists/liberals/dems yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    So - you agree with the piece? AWESOME! Very liberated of you to not be closed-minded.

    Already against the law in most places for those who 'crack' to have legal access to firearms. Sometimes those who crack steal weapons though.
    Actually, it was against the law in CT, as it so happens, which is why the shooter was turned down for a firearm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert A Whit View Post
    Suppose that using a gun to commit a crime, upon found guilty, being swiftly executed?

    Execution should commence by 30 days.

    I mean all crimes, Not necessary to kill or shoot anybody.

    Can the left live with that?
    When was the last time you got nailed for speeding, Rob? Cause that's your death date. When was the last you didn't yield properly? Death. When was the last time that you forgot to hit your signal? Death.

    I'd be amazed if anyone makes it past having a learner's permit.
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