Stolen Valor, should not be ignored!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/stolen-valor

Stolen Valor
Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor Act

The Supreme Court on Thursday tossed out a 2006 law making it a federal misdemeanor to lie about receiving a military service medal, but left the door open for Congress to try again with a more finely tuned law.
[COLOR=#A81817 !important]16:54 June 28, 2012
Breaking down the Stolen Valor Act ruling

Stories

• Kentucky man to be sentenced for selling bogus military documents
  
  Clinton Douglas Salyer is scheduled to be sentenced in federal court next week for producing phony military certificates and selling them online. Salyer was indicted in April on a charge of affixing fraudulent seals to military certificates. He pleaded guilty to the charge the following month.
  16:48 September 5, 2012
• Former PTSD Foundation counselor charged with altering military discharge papers
  
  A federal grand jury has indicted Paul A. Schroeder, 40, of The Woodlands, Texas, The former director of counseling at a nonprofit for veterans in Houston,for unlawfully possessing and exhibiting a certificate of discharge from the military, “knowing the same to be forged, counterfeited, or falsely altered.”
  16:25 June 29, 2012
• Military disputes TV contestant's claim of combat injuries
  
  A contestant on "America's Got Talent" gained sympathy from the judges and applause from the audience when he described suffering a TBI in Afghanistan, but the military says it has no record of him being injured.
  14:10 June 6, 2012
• Law that makes it a crime to lie about military honors could be overturned
• Supreme Court hears 'stolen valor' case of false military heroism
• Houston veterans mentor says he lied about his military record
• Ex-Virginia Beach man accused of posing as Navy officer
• Veteran’s claims of awards, service do not withstand scrutiny
• Supreme Court to decide if Constitution allows lying about military heroism
• 'Stolen Valor': a legal fight for the right to tell lies

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If those that served honorably take no interest in exposing these liars why should anybody else? We see that government has now reversed a law to now make it easier for the liars to continue, thus cheapening the service of those that served honorably. For such people convince others of their deeds then they having no honor lead others to believe heroes act the way they do!

One of my very good friends was an honorable Marine combat veteran that served in Vietnam. I remember vividly what outrage he expressed when seeing a liar attempt to steal that which others HAVE DIED OR BEEN WOUNDED ACTUALLY DOING! So much so that rather than ignore it ,he confronted the pretender and upon exposing the man to truly be the liar that he was, my friend would then proceed to kick his ass! And that ladies and gentlemen is how a Marine treats such lowlife , lying posers! Not by standing back ignoring , by jaw dropping awe or ignorant admiration but by forcing the truth to see light of day and then taking real action!

My other great friend that was a Korean War veteran I never got to see take action against such liars but he told me of two incidents where he too got fed up listening to a pretender and just walked over beat hell out of them . Not saying a word to anybody, just doing the deed and leaving. He was a fairly quiet man and such was his style. Quiet but by no means timid.

Sadly both men are passed on now but I was indeed lucky to have them as mentors in my young life. I respect the hell out of them because they were solid men of principles, quick to defend those fallen heroes's honor by not allowing such pretenders to steal that which should never be allowed to be stolen!!
This is one place where zero tolerance really should thrive IMHO.. --Tyr


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[fj1200]

^Didn't you post this news last year and a rousing discussion ensued?

[ConHog]

^Didn't you post this news last year and a rousing discussion ensued?

do you suggest a possible ulterior motive for posting a duplicate thread may exist?

[CSM]

At the heart of it, there are already laws on the books for dealing with folks who try to make money or gain some advantage for misrepresenting themselves as veterans/heroes. Altering government documents, including service records, is already illegal. As a veteran, it does annoy the crap out of me when some clown represents himself as some kind of veteran/hero or victim when they are not and never served at all. That being said, I believe the truth will out sooner or later. Those who have served and exagerate their service ... well, I don't like it but tend to cut them a bit of slack. It is my experience that those who have served in combat generally do not talk about it at all (some exception when they are with others who have had similar experience). If there is some question, than as has been said in another post ... trust but verify. I will also point out that, as you desscribe in the post above, those who have been there and done that can tell who hasor has not been there too.

[fj1200]

do you suggest a possible ulterior motive for posting a duplicate thread may exist?

I didn't.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

^Didn't you post this news last year and a rousing discussion ensued?

No, different link , new perspective and do you care to address the topic or just bitch about it being posted?
That I chose not to resurrect the old thread is -
1. My business not yours.
2. Didn't want a repeat of the same and thought a fresh perspective to be a better idea.

If do not like it , I suggest ignoring the thread as nobody is making you read or post in it.-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

do you suggest a possible ulterior motive for posting a duplicate thread may exist?

Thread topic is--Stolen Valor, now I kindly suggest that you stop attempting to derail this thread.
Nobody's name has been brought up in this thread.
Stop with the derailing, you have done a lot of that lately. Don't like the thread , I suggest that you ignore it .
Your name wasn't mentioned here.. -Tyr

[ConHog]

Thread topic is--Stolen Valor, now I kindly suggest that you stop attempting to derail this thread.
Nobody's name has been brought up in this thread.
Stop with the derailing, you have done a lot of that lately. Don't like the thread , I suggest that you ignore it .
Your name wasn't mentioned here.. -Tyr

I did not claim that my name was mentioned. I asked FJ a question in follow up to his previous post.

I also did not derail the thread, it was a single post . Don't like it, skip over my post, no one makes you read it. Isn't that the advice you just gave FJ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

At the heart of it, there are already laws on the books for dealing with folks who try to make money or gain some advantage for misrepresenting themselves as veterans/heroes. Altering government documents, including service records, is already illegal. As a veteran, it does annoy the crap out of me when some clown represents himself as some kind of veteran/hero or victim when they are not and never served at all. That being said, I believe the truth will out sooner or later. Those who have served and exagerate their service ... well, I don't like it but tend to cut them a bit of slack. It is my experience that those who have served in combat generally do not talk about it at all (some exception when they are with others who have had similar experience). If there is some question, than as has been said in another post ... trust but verify. I will also point out that, as you desscribe in the post above, those who have been there and done that can tell who hasor has not been there too.

I agree. Those that have can always tell those that haven't. My friends were of the old school and the kind of men that took action. They believed they were honor bound to not ignore the lies told by those that never served and attempted to steal from those that had. I can tell you this I would have not liked having to fight either one of those guys and I am by no means a puny person myself in size or in ability.. -Tyr

[fj1200]

No, different link , new perspective and do you care to address the topic or just bitch about it being posted?
That I chose not to resurrect the old thread is -
1. My business not yours.
2. Didn't want a repeat of the same and thought a fresh perspective to be a better idea.

If do not like it , I suggest ignoring the thread as nobody is making you read or post in it.-Tyr

Yes, a new perspective I'm sure. Pardon my questioning unnecessary redundancy.

If those that served honorably take no interest in exposing these liars why should anybody else? We see that government has now reversed a law to now make it easier for the liars to continue, thus cheapening the service of those that served honorably. For such people convince others of their deeds then they having no honor lead others to believe heroes act the way they do!

Who says they take no interest?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes, a new perspective I'm sure. Pardon my questioning unnecessary redundancy.



Who says they take no interest?

Quite apparent to me that many take no interest when they fail to act when seeing it played out in front of them. My link had multiple examples of those exposed but there are countless examples where the pretender is just allowed to continue on and on , also the government reversed a law that would punish such people!-Tyr

[ConHog]

Quite apparent to me that many take no interest when they fail to act when seeing it played out in front of them. My link had multiple examples of those exposed but there are countless examples where the pretender is just allowed to continue on and on , also the government reversed a law that would punish such people!-Tyr

The government didn't reverse it, it was declared unconstitutional and stricken from the books.

A conservative should applaud the court doing so. That has no bearing on whether lying is okay or not, but a conservative should in fact applaud the court striking down a violation of the first amendment.

[fj1200]

Quite apparent to me that many take no interest when they fail to act when seeing it played out in front of them. My link had multiple examples of those exposed but there are countless examples where the pretender is just allowed to continue on and on , also the government reversed a law that would punish such people!-Tyr

So you use as example pretenders being "allowed" instances where they are charged, convicted, and publicly called out? And SCOTUS declaring unconstitutional is not the government reversing; there's quite a difference.

[ConHog]

So you use as example pretenders being "allowed" instances where they are charged, convicted, and publicly called out? And SCOTUS declaring unconstitutional is not the government reversing; there's quite a difference.

a liberal court slapping down a government over reach, who would have thunk it?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The government didn't reverse it, it was declared unconstitutional and stricken from the books.

A conservative should applaud the court doing so. That has no bearing on whether lying is okay or not, but a conservative should in fact applaud the court striking down a violation of the first amendment.

Last time I checked the courts were ALL part of the government. Or didn't you ever learn even that in school.-