We're in a Recovery

[red states rule]

It's still a recovery with GDP increasing quarter over quarter.

True - damn near flat line GDP increases are indeed increases. Hardly what was promised by Obama and the economic "experts" after that "stimulus" bill was put on the Obama Excess card

[red states rule]

Ah, Harry is upset over R's talking about this Obama "recovery"

Reid: The GOP really needs to stop bad-mouthing this recovery we’re in

Just a brief comment on my friend, the Republican leader’s, statement. He continues bad-mouthing the recovery. We are in a recovery. The moral of the fourth quarter is a repudiation of the Republican playbook. Growth went down in the fourth quarter because of reduced government spending, and a reticence in the private sector as government fought over the fiscal cliff. And that fight came as a result of the Republicans being so unreasonable. … The economy was rejecting the austerity and brinkmanship… The Republican playbook of continually complaining about spending is something — we know we have to do something about spending, we understand that, but there’s more to making our economy recover than just continually harping on what’s going on with spending. …We also have to do something to have a fair program. … Is it fair that the Republicans continue to want to go after Social Security, Medicare, even food stamps, that benefits the poorest of the poor, let’s start talking about fairness.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/3...overy-were-in/

Meanwhile the labor participation rate continues to head south




and this is a recovery?

[red states rule]

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It's still a recovery with GDP increasing quarter over quarter.

Not if it lags so very far behind the increased prices of goods and services. Which it has..
The price of gas, food , utilities and other services has increased at a far greater rate and wages have not.
The month of January was by no means a recovery.

[bingster]

Eh, gas prices are still double what they were when Obama took office. The labor participation rate is shrinking. Food prices continue to rise. Wages are still flat. Foreclosures continue to roll along. and of course Obama continues to borrow 40 cents for every dollar spent and Dems have yet to pass a budget in over 4 years. So is this what you call a recovery?

The president has almost nothing to do with gas prices-remember 2008 before the crash? Rising food prices have to do with gas prices; Wages are still flat for the same reason unemployment numbers are still high-demand has not completely returned. Do Republicans have any excuses for why Europe has done so poorly compared to America?

If Dems could have passed a budget by themselves, they would have. The House Republicans couldn't pass a budget even if the Democrats agreed with them. They don't agree with themselves.

Economy still sucks but the blame isn't all for Obama or all for Republicans. Cynical Obama bashing is neither productive nor realistic.

[bingster]

Red States' answer is an excellent one.

The debt limit should be a MASSIVE concern. Obama needs to try the approach our own Coalition Government in the UK is trying ... that of REDUCING indebtedness. This 'spend as if there's no tomorrow' mentality may be typically Socialist, but BEING typically Socialist, it's also typically ruinous. Even the mightiest of economies don't have infinite resources.

But anyway, it's your comment on Britain within the EU I chiefly wanted to comment about.

I think that you're considerably overstating your argument.

I don't doubt that much of Europe is angry with the UK. But .. what if they are ? Sure, they want us on board as a compliant 'partner' .. but with the terms they want to tie us into, that 'partnership' involves a terminal loss of our sovereignty. What sort of 'partner' offers an arrangement which, in reality, amounts to dictatorship from unelected officials, from a bureaucratic body demanding power over you, at an ever increasing rate .. and expects to be paid for the privilege !!!

The UK, if it left the EU, would do little more than annoy Brussels for having done so. There are plenty of other Member States tied into Europe, and there are even membership applications pending. The EU would most certainly survive if we left it. YES, it might give other Member States food for thought. There might be a ripple-back effect as some trading agreements suffered. But it'd be eminently survivable from the EU's point of view.

Consider that we refused to tie £ sterling into the Euro. Did the Euro collapse because of it ... OR, is its viability in long-term decline because weaker currencies of OTHER nations have dragged it down ?

Fact is, Mundame, that European unity is all about power-robbing, in order to create a European SuperState, this in turn being a step to making globalism a more complete reality. What WAS the EEC, a trading partnership, has today become a Leftie control-freaking paradise.

Let the bureaucrats throw a tantrum if the UK leaves. They'll survive it, and get over it. As will we, in the UK. And as a politically FREE entity.

See ... http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments.../Leo-McKinstry



A brilliant article.

Obama, as he's recently made clear, would hate us to leave the EU. He's had the arrogance to expect us to TAKE being ruled from outside our national borders.

But then .. he is a Leftie, who doesn't care a jot about the ordinary citizen's wishes. Or - when it defies what he wants - the sanctity of democratic process itself !

Oh yea, the UK is a perfect example. Aren't they in a tripple dip recession?

And how do you square your comment "But then .. he is a Leftie, who doesn't care a jot about the ordinary citizen's wishes" when he's polling at 60% and has massive approval for all of his policies?

[Robert A Whit]

The president has almost nothing to do with gas prices-remember 2008 before the crash? Where are your labor participation rate shrinking numbers? Rising food prices have to do with gas prices; Wages are still flat for the same reason unemployment numbers are still high-demand has not completely returned. Do Republicans have any excuses for why Europe has done so poorly compared to America?

If Dems could have passed a budget by themselves, they would have. The House Republicans couldn't pass a budget even if the Democrats agreed with them. They don't agree with themselves.

Economy still sucks but the blame isn't all for Obama or all for Republicans. Cynical Obama bashing is neither productive nor realistic.

I would love to agree with you. But don't you remember the Obama orders that put the brakes on oil production? Did you forget what he did to Keystone?

Those things matter to the market. It is called manipulating the market to satisfy ones ideology.

It is getting much more costly for labor to harvest crops since Obama brags he has booted out the most Mexicans. A report I saw on CSPAN spoke of wages having risen very fast to those that harvest since the supply of labor has fallen swiftly. Figures of between $20 to $40 per hour

The Senate Dems have plain blocked any budget for the Federal Government.

As to Obama, why is loyalty to him more important than loyalty to the people?

I would work harder to sympathize with Democrats had they cooparated with President Bush.

[Robert A Whit]

I have posted with many Democrats.

I have yet to meet one that does not have that flat forehead.

Some claim they like Obama's policies.

OK I say, what are his policies?

The hand smacks the forehead and they mutter, gee, I dunno.

What has he done you like?

Smack forehead followed by I dunno.

His policy so far as i am able to tell is to blow so much money he stays in the red to the tune of well over 100 billion dollars per month. To leave my grandkids bills they will never be able to pay.

Well, we cna't forget his anti automobile policy or his forcing us all to pay so much for fuels it is like a tax on the working guy.

Why can't he fight to lower fuel prices?

No, I don't mean get the CEOS on the phone, I am talking about revoking his anti business polices.

That would sure help people get a job.

[bingster]

I would love to agree with you. But don't you remember the Obama orders that put the brakes on oil production? Did you forget what he did to Keystone?

Those things matter to the market. It is called manipulating the market to satisfy ones ideology.

It is getting much more costly for labor to harvest crops since Obama brags he has booted out the most Mexicans. A report I saw on CSPAN spoke of wages having risen very fast to those that harvest since the supply of labor has fallen swiftly. Figures of between $20 to $40 per hour

The Senate Dems have plain blocked any budget for the Federal Government.

As to Obama, why is loyalty to him more important than loyalty to the people?

I would work harder to sympathize with Democrats had they cooparated with President Bush.

Did you forget the BP oil spill? Even if he would have approved the Keystone pipeline, it wouldn't affect oil prices within the next ten years, if ever. Oil prices are set on the world market and have almost nothing to do with our production.

Sorry, can't blame him for raising wages and blame him for stagnant wages at the same time.

"Dems blocking" is the richest argument ever, when you compare them to Republicans. The Republican budget has had overwhelming opposition from the american people. Even tea partiers freaked out when Ryan put his original budget out. Tea partiers like Medicare too!

[bingster]

I have posted with many Democrats.

I have yet to meet one that does not have that flat forehead.

Some claim they like Obama's policies.

OK I say, what are his policies?

Pro gay rights, pro gun control, pro business (have you seen the stock market lately; continued tax cuts), pro women's rights (Lilly Ledbetter), pro immigrant; and pro economy (stimulus, pay roll tax cut, continued most of Bush tax cuts, just check out Europe who has adopted the conservative policies to their own despair).

The hand smacks the forehead and they mutter, gee, I dunno.

What has he done you like?

Smack forehead followed by I dunno.

His policy so far as i am able to tell is to blow so much money he stays in the red to the tune of well over 100 billion dollars per month. To leave my grandkids bills they will never be able to pay.

That's just not true. Other than the stimulus, he hasn't spent as much as he's blamed for. The debt is mostly due to far less revenue from recession and continued tax cuts and wars. While Republicans think subtracting revenue with more tax cuts is supposed to increase revenue. Ridiculous.

Well, we cna't forget his anti automobile policy or his forcing us all to pay so much for fuels it is like a tax on the working guy.

Why can't he fight to lower fuel prices?

He's fighting for the long haul: better fuel economy and more green energy.

No, I don't mean get the CEOS on the phone, I am talking about revoking his anti business polices.

That would sure help people get a job.

I commented in red above.

[Robert A Whit]

Did you forget the BP oil spill? Even if he would have approved the Keystone pipeline, it wouldn't affect oil prices within the next ten years, if ever. Oil prices are set on the world market and have almost nothing to do with our production.

Sorry, can't blame him for raising wages and blame him for stagnant wages at the same time.

"Dems blocking" is the richest argument ever, when you compare them to Republicans. The Republican budget has had overwhelming opposition from the american people. Even tea partiers freaked out when Ryan put his original budget out. Tea partiers like Medicare too!

BP ... Obama and his clusterfuck approach. The man over reacts. He despises crude oil. But what did BP do wrong off the East coast or off the coast of Alaska?

Actually, Keystone would add to crude supply and this per classic economics cuts down prices. We are one of the major supplies of oil so naturally we have a great deal of influence.

I have not blamed him for stagnant wages that I am aware of. When did I do that?

[bingster]

I commented in red above.

I also find it offensive that the only jobs programs that the Republicans can support are oil related. Don't we need to fix our roads and bridges? Don't oil tankers drive over our infrastructure too?

[bingster]

BP ... Obama and his clusterfuck approach. The man over reacts. He despises crude oil. But what did BP do wrong off the East coast or off the coast of Alaska?

Actually, Keystone would add to crude supply and this per classic economics cuts down prices. We are one of the major supplies of oil so naturally we have a great deal of influence.

I have not blamed him for stagnant wages that I am aware of. When did I do that?

Actually, I'm sorry, it wasn't you who blamed him for stagnant wages. It was one of the earlier posts to push back against the purpose of this thread.

The fact is Obama has always on the side of ecologists who fear climate change. The Keystone project is not dead yet, I just read an article that it's still being studied and a verdict is due in March. He's been against it because it's the dirtiest type of oil in the world and that it would leave a huge carbon footprint. If I was to bet, I would say that the project will go through. A majority of the Senate is now for it.

[Robert A Whit]

Originally Posted by Robert A Whit
I have posted with many Democrats.

I have yet to meet one that does not have that flat forehead.

Some claim they like Obama's policies.

OK I say, what are his policies?

Pro gay rights, pro gun control, pro business (have you seen the stock market lately; continued tax cuts), pro women's rights (Lilly Ledbetter), pro immigrant; and pro economy (stimulus, pay roll tax cut, continued most of Bush tax cuts, just check out Europe who has adopted the conservative policies to their own despair).

What are gay rights? Do they have more than I have or something? They have the same rights I have. Yes, he is anti constitution especially anti the second amendment. The shape of business is not reflected by the stock market. Notice out of the hundreds of thousands of companies, only a rare few end up on the DOW. But if you also recall, when Bush was president, the DOW was higher than today and indeed Bush holds the record but little good that did him since the market crashed. Explain to me how presidents cut taxes? Do you mean that the congress cut them? Also, look how he will be blamed for raising taxes on the woerksrs due to his way of hogging the credit. You mean pro illegals. This nation suffers probably 17 million still out of work. And many have been out of work and are past the age of getting any easy to find job. Many are passed over by those with degrees. Actually, by paying off their debts, Europe will be stronger and well prepared for prosperity.

The hand smacks the forehead and they mutter, gee, I dunno.

What has he done you like?

Smack forehead followed by I dunno.

His policy so far as i am able to tell is to blow so much money he stays in the red to the tune of well over 100 billion dollars per month. To leave my grandkids bills they will never be able to pay.

That's just not true. Other than the stimulus, he hasn't spent as much as he's blamed for. The debt is mostly due to far less revenue from recession and continued tax cuts and wars. While Republicans think subtracting revenue with more tax cuts is supposed to increase revenue. Ridiculous.

Actually, he has far more revenue than Bill Clinton had and he refuses to try to force Harry Reid to get with it and approve a budget. I can't blame Obama for what Reid won't do. You guys must learn to get used to Obama taking blame. He has no problem sucking up credit for what he likes. Do you know that Obama has more revenue than Bush had when he was president yet the flat foreheads want to put the blame on Bush. That is funny. Republicans have this funny idea that only when goverment stops holding back business then the revenues will grow. They also think this idea of spending your way to get rich is wrong.

Well, we can't forget his anti automobile policy or his forcing us all to pay so much for fuels it is like a tax on the working guy.

Why can't he fight to lower fuel prices?

He's fighting for the long haul: better fuel economy and more green energy.

Gee lucky me. In college and since then, I have spent a lot of time studying the automobile and energy. When you get a lot more fuel economy, there is a trade off. Look at the Mini Cooper. I believe we are owed a safe ride. And this means my much faster car of about 4,000 pounds can eat up a small car in an accident. Green energy is a slogan. I think if one enjoys geing told what to do by goverment, as if we are children, they appreciate Obama. Give me that CRX and a highway. And in great comfort I can travel. I have rented plenty of those small cars on vacation and plain won't buy one.

You get more economy by reducing weight. And Americans are so delighted with that policy, they buy pick up trucks.

I truly get pissed when any government assumes they are in business to manage my life. By the way, my car gets up to 30 mpg and can hit over 140 miles per hour and I enjoy great comfort on long trips. Should any small car hit me, I survive. They may not.

No, I don't mean get the CEOS on the phone, I am talking about revoking his anti business polices.

That would sure help people get a job.



I commented in red above.

And of course, the blue is me.

Let me ask you one more thing.

Why do you wish to be managed by the Fed Government?

Is your governor bright?

[fj1200]

I also find it offensive that the only jobs programs that the Republicans can support are oil related. Don't we need to fix our roads and bridges? Don't oil tankers drive over our infrastructure too?

Beg pardon? Republicans support many jobs "programs." Ones that work that is and is private sector based of course.