Soldier versus Police Officer

[jimnyc]

Police brutality? Or perhaps a soldier biting off more than he can chew with a Marine?

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[bingster]

The kid's a royal punk, but maybe the officer could have tried at least once to diffuse the situation before the smack to the head. I'm not saying the kid didn't deserve it. I just expect more professionalism from our men in blue.

[jimnyc]

The kid's a royal punk, but maybe the officer could have tried at least once to diffuse the situation before the smack to the head. I'm not saying the kid didn't deserve it. I just expect more professionalism from our men in blue.

I sort of agree, tough situation. But it pays NOT to be an asshole to the police, especially one that is a former US Marine. You start with "Know who you're talking to - US soldier" - you might have a soldier reply back to you!~

[taft2012]

you might have a soldier reply back to you!~

...or just a cop who can savagely pwn you. lol.

[cadet]

Ok, just looking over the idiots who don't know how to be civil, I'm sure if i beat the crap out of a couple of punks trying to rob me and the police were 45 min late, i'd be pissed too.

[jimnyc]

Ok, just looking over the idiots who don't know how to be civil, I'm sure if i beat the crap out of a couple of punks trying to rob me and the police were 45 min late, i'd be pissed too.

He's got a right to be upset about the timing. But when the cop moved closer to speak to him, he puffed out his chest and told the cop to make sure he knows who he is talking to, a US soldier. It shouldn't matter if the cop was talking to a soldier or an old lady - neither should try to intimidate an officer. Not defending either side, but maybe the police were involved in a call about a robbery or shooting, and got to the next level call as soon as they could.

Anyway, my question is, did the "puffing" and comments deserve the harsh response from the police? Personally, I think it's good to see a Marine put him in his place. I just don't think as far as the courts are concerned, that he needed to take it as far as he did.

As a Marine - excellent response
As a Police Officer - abuse?

I'm honestly unsure and have mixed feelings. I can't wait for my buddy, Rev, to get here though!

[Kathianne]

Ok, just looking over the idiots who don't know how to be civil, I'm sure if i beat the crap out of a couple of punks trying to rob me and the police were 45 min late, i'd be pissed too.

I agree. The police in this case seemed to be more concerned with this punk's attitude than with the complaint. His room mates may have had a case, but that never came to be shown. Why? The police got pissed at the complainant.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I sort of agree, tough situation. But it pays NOT to be an asshole to the police, especially one that is a former US Marine. You start with "Know who you're talking to - US soldier" - you might have a soldier reply back to you!~

I saw nothing soldier like from the kid that got knocked down. That being said, the police officer had no legal right to hit a person that is not threatening that officer. As much as I'd like to side with the officer I can not in this case. Not unless the victim made a threatening move that was not on the video. Now the victim should have no been that mouthy and presenting himself as some badass soldier, obviously he was not. After all his roommate had beat his ass and thrown him out. Both parties were in the wrong IMHO. THE KID FOR HIS ATTITUDE AND THE OFFICER FOR STRIKING HIM. Pains me to have to say that because the kid needed an attitude adjustment but by law it was not right for the cop to just hit him. I once told a cop that next time he hits my younger brother with his nightstick will be his last!! I meant it and he did not try to arrest me on any charge because he knew he had hit my younger brother for no just cause. He never did such again to anybody that I ever heard about. I was 26 back then and didnt give a flying crap about what the hell happened to me. I just knew to take a stand and do or die trying..
A good cop is solid gold in my book , all others f-them feed 'em fishheads..-Tyr

[Robert A Whit]

The kid's a royal punk, but maybe the officer could have tried at least once to diffuse the situation before the smack to the head. I'm not saying the kid didn't deserve it. I just expect more professionalism from our men in blue.

You fucking kidding me?

I know all about that story thanks to the local news.

That kid is the victim.

What if it was a girl. She got beat up and called the cop. The cop shows up and hits her down to the ground and shoves his damned knee in her chest. Still think he is a punk?

I hope he is fired.

The victim was understandably upset since he called 911 and for all the cop knew, he might have been beaten up more and maybe shot. But the cop attacks the victim and you side with the cop?

Fucking stunning.

[SassyLady]

If the cop was really a retired Marine he would have used his superior experience to deal with a young soldier that was running on high adrenalin due to the beating he had already received at the hands of the two who assaulted him. Instead, the cop chose to escalate the situation by hitting him. The kid obviously never thought the police would be attacking him because he called them for help.

Even though the kid was out of line with the cops I think, if given the chance, would have cooperated if talked to reasonably. I think the cop overreacted when the kid complained about how long it took them to get there.

I am from this area and the Vallejo police are known to be brutal and have a "take no prisoners" attitude.

Vallejo saw a 10 percent jump in violent crime last year as the city emerged from bankruptcy. The police force has been cut to 93 officers, down from a high of 158 in 2005. And in November, Officer James Capoot was shot and killed while chasing a suspected bank robber.


Police officials, watchdogs and experts on the use of force agree that the number of shootings in Vallejo is alarming. Officers in Oakland and San Francisco have each killed one person this year, and Vallejo officers had killed two people in the three years before the recent spike.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...#ixzz2KYRL2xWa

[taft2012]

If the cop was really a retired Marine he would have used his superior experience to deal with a young soldier that was running on high adrenalin due to the beating he had already received at the hands of the two who assaulted him.

... and you know all of this from 20-20 hindsight.

An officer arrives on the scene and somebody says they called... maybe they were indeed the one who called. Maybe they weren't.


Even routine radio runs have to be sorted out upon arrival to ensure the situation is safe and stable.

This kid could have been a Debatepolicy nut with an irrational fear of government.

[jimnyc]

Get this. The guy calls the cops.

This story has been all over the local news this past week.

A cop finally shows up. I mean like it took 20 minutes for this bastard to show up.

Some of it is due to cops pay being curtailed.

This guy, the victims, is harshly dealt with and rather than deal with the actual criminals, this fat ass big mouth cop gets all over the victim and puts his knee down hard in the victims chest.

We need cops to pretect us from cops.

You fucking kidding me?

I know all about that story thanks to the local news.

That kid is the victim.

What if it was a girl. She got beat up and called the cop. The cop shows up and hits her down to the ground and shoves his damned knee in her chest. Still think he is a punk?

I hope he is fired.

The victim was understandably upset since he called 911 and for all the cop knew, he might have been beaten up more and maybe shot. But the cop attacks the victim and you side with the cop?

Fucking stunning.

If the cop was really a retired Marine he would have used his superior experience to deal with a young soldier that was running on high adrenalin due to the beating he had already received at the hands of the two who assaulted him. Instead, the cop chose to escalate the situation by hitting him. The kid obviously never thought the police would be attacking him because he called them for help.

Even though the kid was out of line with the cops I think, if given the chance, would have cooperated if talked to reasonably. I think the cop overreacted when the kid complained about how long it took them to get there.

I am from this area and the Vallejo police are known to be brutal and have a "take no prisoners" attitude.

Adrenaline shouldn't be pumping 45 minutes after an altercation. And while I don't think the cops acted 100% properly - the young man is the one who escalated things 1st by scolding them about being late, then he did so a 2nd time. That's when the officer approached him. Before the officer can do anything, or even speak a word, that's when the young man started puffing out his chest. In many circles, and especially in police circles, that's a sign of aggression, someone acting like they want to fight. Then he verbalized it next, as if he were special and tough, because he was a US soldier. That had no bearing whatsoever and seemed to me to be yet another attempt at intimidation.

If it were just another guy on the street, and the marine responded as such, I would buy him a beer for placing the idiot in his place. Being a police officer though, he should have risen above the bait. Maybe cuffed the kid until he backed off his little perch. He had no right to place his hands on the young man unless he was truly threatened, which I'm not satisfied he was.

So while I do believe the officer was wrong, I also believe the kid needed to be put in his place - just maybe not from an officer of the law. Maybe now we know why his "friends" kicked his ass?

And right or wrong from either side, respect goes a long way. I thought the officers were respectful up until the slam down. respect will likely get you respect in return, disrespect the same.

[Robert A Whit]

Adrenaline shouldn't be pumping 45 minutes after an altercation. And while I don't think the cops acted 100% properly - the young man is the one who escalated things 1st by scolding them about being late, then he did so a 2nd time. That's when the officer approached him. Before the officer can do anything, or even speak a word, that's when the young man started puffing out his chest. In many circles, and especially in police circles, that's a sign of aggression, someone acting like they want to fight. Then he verbalized it next, as if he were special and tough, because he was a US soldier. That had no bearing whatsoever and seemed to me to be yet another attempt at intimidation.

If it were just another guy on the street, and the marine responded as such, I would buy him a beer for placing the idiot in his place. Being a police officer though, he should have risen above the bait. Maybe cuffed the kid until he backed off his little perch. He had no right to place his hands on the young man unless he was truly threatened, which I'm not satisfied he was.

So while I do believe the officer was wrong, I also believe the kid needed to be put in his place - just maybe not from an officer of the law. Maybe now we know why his "friends" kicked his ass?

And right or wrong from either side, respect goes a long way. I thought the officers were respectful up until the slam down. respect will likely get you respect in return, disrespect the same.

Jim, you sorry bastard. LOL

The young guy is the victim.

I said he waited 20 minutes but it was 45. And the cop was fine until he punched the victim and then got down on him with his knee and hopped up and down on him.

The cop should have been far more understanding of what the victim has been put through causing him to call 911 and plead for help. The cops idea of help was to sucker punch the victim.

[Robert A Whit]

You guys seem to judge this only by the video.
First the cop. I don't care if he is tougher than Clint Eastwood.

But the kid is the victim.

Not the assailant, he called emergency.

This took place in a bankrupt city. Vallejo CA. I have had this on TV for days now. Worse than that, it is well known for violence. The kid told the cop he had been beaten.

Well he told that to the wrong cop. The cop decided that he also could beat the kid up.

What if the victim was a girl and called for help for maybe being raped? I can see that cop belting her alongside her head. That noise the kid was making? He was trying hard to breathe. He was in pain.

Cops in that city are an embarrasement if they back this rogue cop.

[bingster]

You fucking kidding me?

I know all about that story thanks to the local news.

That kid is the victim.

What if it was a girl. She got beat up and called the cop. The cop shows up and hits her down to the ground and shoves his damned knee in her chest. Still think he is a punk?

I hope he is fired.

The victim was understandably upset since he called 911 and for all the cop knew, he might have been beaten up more and maybe shot. But the cop attacks the victim and you side with the cop?

Fucking stunning.

Going off on a rant again, I see. As the subject of this thread, I just watched the part that Jimmy posted. No, I don't know all of the background on it. From what I saw, the kid needed his ass kicked. But, I also didn't think it was the cops job to do so as quickly as he did.

From the clip that was provided, I think I made a reasonable analysis.