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    Default Crazy gun targets sold buy company to DHS?

    I didn't imagine it'd gone this far, WTHeckfire is this about.



    http://www.infowars.com/dhs-contract...s-of-children/

    Offensive” cut-outs depicting pregnant women, gun owners in residential settings removed from website Paul Joseph Watson
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    February 22, 2013
    A company which received $2 million dollars from the DHS has apologized and taken offline “no more hesitation” shooting targets which depicted pregnant women, children, and elderly gun owners in residential settings as “non-traditional threats,” following an online uproar.

    As we first reported on Tuesday, Law Enforcement Targets Inc. (LET), a Minneapolis based company that has received almost $2 million dollars in contracts from the Department of Homeland Security over the last three years, recently began selling cardboard cut-out targets designed to desensitize police to “non-traditional threats,” including pregnant women, mothers in school playgrounds, and little boys, as well as elderly gun owners in their homes.
    The company’s relationship with the DHS, along with thousands of law enforcement agencies, led to fears that the targets could be connected with Homeland Security’s purchase of roughly 2 billion rounds of ammunition over the last year, which many fear is linked to preparations for mass social unrest. As we documented, the LET’s contracts with the DHS were for “training aids” and “paperboard”.
    In its apology, posted on the company’s website as well as Facebook, LET acknowledged that the targets were requested by law enforcement agencies.
    We apologize for the offensive nature of our “No More Hesitation” products. These products have been taken offline due to the opinions expressed by so many, including members of the law enforcement community.
    This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community to train police officers for unusually complex situations where split-second decisions could lead to unnecessary loss of life.
    Consistent with our company mission as a training supplier (not a training methods company), we will continue to seek input from law enforcement professionals to better serve their training objectives and qualification needs. We sincerely appreciate law enforcement professionals for the risks they take in providing safety and defending freedom.
    The company’s excuse that the targets were designed to help police prevent “unnecessary loss of life” is highly dubious given that the images were all of armed individuals termed “non-traditional threats,” designed to ensure “no more hesitation” from police officers encountering them.
    As one respondent to the company explained, “Look, each of the supposed “threats” appeared to be in their own home settings. They were also all holding a weapon….it is obvious these paper targets were never intended to be decoy (don’t shoot targets). It is apparent this was designed to assist in desensitizing the trainee.”...
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    And so the desensitizing of American law enforcement begins...the military will follow shortly.
    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. -- Susan B. Anthony


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    Sadly a lot of the military were desensitized in Iraq. House to house searches, women and children old folks. Shooting into cars from a distant. Check points. Shooting into what looks like civilian crowds.
    "...there are hurt kids in the van .. OH well, they shouldn't have brought them into a war zone... that's right... over"
    Last edited by revelarts; 02-23-2013 at 08:35 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    And so the desensitizing of American law enforcement begins...the military will follow shortly.
    Are the police supposed to be "sensitive" to people pointing guns at them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by taft2012 View Post
    Are the police supposed to be "sensitive" to people pointing guns at them?
    Yes they are.
    Are police suppose t take guns away from the people house to house?
    or if thats what a new law says, that's what you'll do . you've got a pension to worry about.

    Are people suppose to be safe in their home from warrentless police break ins?
    Last edited by revelarts; 02-23-2013 at 09:25 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Yes they are.
    Are police suppose t take guns away from the people house to house?
    or if thats what a new law says, that's what you'll do . you've got a pension to worry about.

    Are people suppose to be safe in their home from warrentless police break ins?
    You're assuming an awful lot from a paper target there Skeezix.

    Take off the tinfoil hat and look at the targets again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taft2012 View Post
    You're assuming an awful lot from a paper target there Skeezix.

    Take off the tinfoil hat and look at the targets again.
    i see women and children in their homes and backyards, what do you see officer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Yes they are.
    Are police suppose t take guns away from the people house to house?
    or if thats what a new law says, that's what you'll do . you've got a pension to worry about.

    Are people suppose to be safe in their home from warrentless police break ins?
    Rev... Think for a second... if you are able.

    if a police officer hesitates for one second with a perp with a gun he wont be going home to his family.

    Sorry... Pull a gun on a cop and you deserve to be blown away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voted4Reagan View Post
    Rev... Think for a second... if you are able.

    if a police officer hesitates for one second with a perp with a gun he wont be going home to his family.

    Sorry... Pull a gun on a cop and you deserve to be blown away.
    In your own House V4R?
    hmmm
    Maybe, if you've done something wrong.
    If not then the police are in the wrong for coming in and might get what any other intruder would get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    i see women and children in their homes and backyards, what do you see officer?
    I see guns pointed out me.

    Granted, they may turn out to be fancy cigarette lighters, but pointing them at law enforcement in not recommended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    In your own House V4R?
    hmmm
    Maybe, if you've done something wrong.
    If not then the police are in the wrong for coming in and might get what any other intruder would get.
    If the police knock on your door, identify themselves and you know you have done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.

    Answer the door for them with a gun in your hand and you'll be in a serious boatload of trouble.

    I trust the police enough to know that I will not be in any trouble unless I resist.

    or do something really stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taft2012 View Post
    I see guns pointed out me.

    Granted, they may turn out to be fancy cigarette lighters, but pointing them at law enforcement in not recommended.
    so you'd shoot the kid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    so you'd shoot the kid?
    I'm assuming then, you'd let the kid shoot you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by taft2012 View Post
    I'm assuming then, you'd let the kid shoot you?
    If it came to that I probably would.
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    Last edited by taft2012; 02-23-2013 at 11:52 AM.
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