Which is more irrational? :)

[Marcus Aurelius]

^So you agree; some who believe can be pushy?

The second one to far more people than the first of course.

not sure what I ever said that would indicate I didn't think ANY religious people could be pushy. I simply asked some very specific questions.

It's like the old saying about tattoos...

The only difference between those of us who have tattoos, and those who don't, is that we don't care if you don't have a tattoo.

Only in this case, it's more...
The only difference between people who believe in God and people who don't, is that most us us don't care if you don't believe in God.

And in the case of most (yes, I said most) atheists...
The only difference between those of us who don't believe in God, and those who do, is that we're right and they're wrong.

[fj1200]

not sure what I ever said that would indicate I didn't think ANY religious people could be pushy. I simply asked some very specific questions.

It's like the old saying about tattoos...

The only difference between those of us who have tattoos, and those who don't, is that we don't care if you don't have a tattoo.

Only in this case, it's more...
The only difference between people who believe in God and people who don't, is that most us us don't care if you don't believe in God.

And in the case of most (yes, I said most) atheists...
The only difference between those of us who don't believe in God, and those who do, is that we're right and they're wrong.

I asked some very specific questions as well. Besides when you show two pictures asking which is pushy, then your premise is that one is pushy.

And that last part? Pushy depending on your actions. Westboro anyone?

[Marcus Aurelius]

I asked some very specific questions as well. Besides when you show two pictures asking which is pushy, then your premise is that one is pushy.

I gave examples of one pushy, and one not. Still not following how you came up with the idea I thought no religious people could ever be pushy. You said 'So, you agree..." implying that you had the opinion I somehow thought no religious people could be pushy.

[fj1200]

I gave examples of one pushy, and one not. Still not following how you came up with the idea I thought no religious people could ever be pushy. You said 'So, you agree..." implying that you had the opinion I somehow thought no religious people could be pushy.

OK, whatever dude, just stating a point of agreement then. The OP just seems to be a statement that can be made to make Christians feel good just as atheists can derive a statement to make themselves feel good.

[aboutime]

Easy peasy. Definitely the latter.

I don't see the air I breathe, but I've every logical reason for believing it's there to breathe.

But you can't be offended by something you don't believe exists. If it doesn't exist, it can't have a power to offend you, since 'nothing' is the cause of that offence.

Agreed. What I find even more important about the question of irrationality is. I have no need, nor do I feel I must explain anything about my FAITH...(belief in the Unseen) to anyone, for any reason. As for the rationality. That's an individual responsibility. Either someone believes, worships, or has faith...OR THEY DON'T.

I always remember my many years in the military, and the countless times people have approached me...telling me
"You need to be born again!"
And my response, as a God fearing, church going, Christian since birth has always been. "I already have One birth certificate!"

Anyone who doesn't believe, or have faith in something they feel a need to make fun of...to torment others. Is merely lost, and needs to find gratification in hatred for anyone who claims to believe, or has faith in an Unseen God.

[cadet]

Many of you are offended by a god you don't believe in on a daily basis. Enough to make multiple threads about it and regularly bash those who do believe.

same god, different take on him.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Many of you are offended by a god you don't believe in on a daily basis. Enough to make multiple threads about it and regularly bash those who do believe.

You are apparently not smart enough to know that 'Allah', is the same God we Christians believe in.

[Abbey Marie]

Logical fallacy; define "they."

/dmp

Guess you'll have to ask fj that one.

[Kathianne]

If I wear a t-shirt that says 'I believe in God', am I being pushy?

Only if there is a subscript, 'you only think you do.'

[aboutime]

Can someone be pushy expressing what they believe?

SURE THING! We have been seeing it take place, almost daily since the easily led voted for their Messiah complex from Chicago. You know? The man who wears the ACORN THORNS on his head, and the man who has yet to feed millions with one loaf of bread, make wine from water, or walk across the Potomac River without getting his BIG DUCKY FEET WET.

[Kathianne]

SURE THING! We have been seeing it take place, almost daily since the easily led voted for their Messiah complex from Chicago. You know? The man who wears the ACORN THORNS on his head, and the man who has yet to feed millions with one loaf of bread, make wine from water, or walk across the Potomac River without getting his BIG DUCKY FEET WET.

I'd buy into that before the 'we know what God wants...'

[Missileman]

Found this:

"Who's more irrational? Somebody who believes in a God they don't see, or a person who is a offended by a God they don't even believe in?"

Obviously, the latter. The problem with the premise is it's a strawman. Even the most rabid anti-religious activist atheists aren't offended by God.

[revelarts]

Obviously, the latter. The problem with the premise is it's a strawman. Even the most rabid anti-religious activist atheists aren't offended by God.

Sure there are, and many of the new atheist have said as much. Not framed in the way of the question though.
they'd probably say they are offend by the IDEA of God, the God of the Bible specifically and of gods in general.


As far as people who beieve in God begin "pushy"
I'd like some everyday examples of atheist that have felt pushed by Christians. I'm talking personally.

Is being Pushed someone inviting you to Church. (horror of horrors how can u stand it)
Is being Pushed someone yelling on a street corner about heaven and hell?
Is being Pushed someone knocking on your door and offering to sit down and talk about their faith?
Is being Pushed a lot of christian TV or radio programs?

Or do you mean politically
Is being Pushed Christians defend traditional marriage?
Is being Pushed Christian defending the unborn?
Is being Pushed kids giving a prayer at his school graduation?
Is being Pushed a group of people questioning origin stories publicly?
Is being Pushed a Christian group protesting ANYTHING they believe? Or should they do it in a way that pleases everyone?


Should they just STHU and stay in Church? maybe there should be a law?

None of the above IMO is pushy to the point of being a problem AT ALL. At worse it's an inconvenience or annoyance to some, to some it's offensive because they don't want to believe what the Bilbe says on various points.


But you want to see pushy Go to a Muslim Country and try to become an atheist or Christian or Buddist and see what pushy really is. Same in Indian if you try to convert from a being a Hindu or even in some cases try to TALK to Hindus about conversion of becoming an Atheist. you might jail time or beaten in the street by a crowd. Ladies, try living in Saudi Arabia the way you live here, you'll see a pushy religion change your ways fast.


Christians the past have been EXTREMELY pushy doing thing like water boarding,... but wait it's not torture or anything, it's just uncomfortable, so that's not REALLY pushy I guess right?
But the Burning at the stake thing, yeah that was kinda pushy. But the Church thankful got over that madness.

Yes Christians TALK and yes we VOTE. frankly we are commanded by our faith to Talk to people always about what Jesus has done. if we REALLY did what the Bible says you'd hear a lot more.

if that's considered too Pushy, to bad. we care to much to shut up.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius
If I wear a t-shirt that says 'I believe in God', am I being pushy?

Only if there is a subscript, 'you only think you do.'

perfectly valid example. Thanks.

[mundame]

Sure there are, and many of the new atheist have said as much. Not framed in the way of the question though.
they'd probably say they are offend by the IDEA of God, the God of the Bible specifically and of gods in general.

I don't think anybody cares about the IDEA of God. If people believe in something and don't bother others about it, what's to resent? People can go sit on stylites in the desert and believe all they like, for all of me. As long as the taxpayer doesn't have to support them.

What people resent is intrusion and efforts to control them. Or replace their beliefs entirely, like the Muslims want to do.

As far as people who beieve in God begin "pushy"
I'd like some everyday examples of atheist that have felt pushed by Christians. I'm talking personally.

Is being Pushed someone inviting you to Church. (horror of horrors how can u stand it)

Invitations are okay....assuming they aren't knocking on the door to do it. That would be wrong and pushy. The question is, who is it for? For you, to build up your church and your adherents, or for the person because you think they might like to join? If you are knocking on the door of a stranger's home, you are being intrusive and rude.

Is being Pushed someone yelling on a street corner about heaven and hell?

Omigod, yes!! I remember forever ago in Old Town, Chicago, they had a Bible College near this very popular area in the '60s, and this sweating, fat, disgusting guy on the street corner would yell about heaven and hell and call all the women walking by harlots!! Me, he presumably included!!! What a bad man. That was one of the worse things I've ever seen about religion. I suppose he was crazy. He was certainly evil.

Is being Pushed someone knocking on your door and offering to sit down and talk about their faith?

That's wrong, that's intrusive, that's incredibly immoral!!! I never allow that sort of bad behavior anymore. I can't believe all these terrible Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons and god-knows-what-all do this sort of thing. It's just unbelievably wrong to actually come to someone's house and ring their doorbell and try to convert their souls! I mean, what business is my soul to anyone else?? They should mind their own business. I think there is getting less of that kind of rotten intrusion, fortunately. It's less tolerated now than it used to be.

Is being Pushed a lot of christian TV or radio programs?

No.....you can change channels. That's not a problem. It may be yucky if they are hysterical gasping-type preachers, or if they are crooked televangelists; most of these guys are dishonest, of course, just collecting money from people who aren't too bright. I think most people know that by now.

Or do you mean politically
Is being Pushed Christians defend traditional marriage?
Is being Pushed Christian defending the unborn?
Is being Pushed kids giving a prayer at his school graduation?
Is being Pushed a group of people questioning origin stories publicly?
Is being Pushed a Christian group protesting ANYTHING they believe? Or should they do it in a way that pleases everyone?

Well.........I agree with a lot of those items, but it is an effort of control. Nobody likes to be controlled by anyone with a drum to beat. Basically, people should probably mind their own business. Don't push religion on people who don't want it. I mean, that's the polite thing to do, right? People wanting to control others' religious beliefs leads very quickly to burning people at the stake because they don't believe we are eating Christ's meat when we take communion. And I would question allowing religion to take that kind of control. Religious control is a terrible, BAD thing: look at those creepy women in the black allover robes and veils with just their eyes showing. Horror show.

Should they just STHU and stay in Church? maybe there should be a law?

They should certainly just STFU and stay in Church; why not? It's really not up to them to convert other people!! Or to control other people.

None of the above IMO is pushy to the point of being a problem AT ALL. At worse it's an inconvenience or annoyance to some, to some it's offensive because they don't want to believe what the Bilbe says on various points.

No, that's wrong. You don't get to say what isn't a problem for me. If you come here to my home, you get kicked out, be sure: nothing requires me to listen to your intrusive, bullying preaching at the door to my home. Being pushy is wrong and immoral and Christians shouldn't do it. Look at the Muslims: they do it and they want to take over the world and force everyone to do what they say. So do Christians: but you should resist this temptation.

But you want to see pushy Go to a Muslim Country and try to become an atheist or Christian or Buddist and see what pushy really is. Same in Indian if you try to convert from a being a Hindu or even in some cases try to TALK to Hindus about conversion of becoming an Atheist. you might jail time or beaten in the street by a crowd. Ladies, try living in Saudi Arabia the way you live here, you'll see a pushy religion change your ways fast.

That's the thing: this is all bad, all terrible --- and it has for many centuries been just as bad when Christians do it.

if that's considered too Pushy, to bad. we care to much to shut up.

You are just too eager to control people to shut up. If all you wanted was to believe and lead Christian lives, that would be great. Intruding and controlling is not great.