She followed procedure and watched someone die

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/04...o-perform-cpr/

[Robert A Whit]

A good example of the Obama health care laws in action.

Anyway, this happened due to government regulations.

Obama smokes.jpeg

[fj1200]

A good example of the Obama health care laws in action.

Anyway, this happened due to government regulations.

I missed any reference to ACA or government reg.s.

[Marcus Aurelius]

The 'independent' living facility this happened at, is physically attached to an 'assisted' living facility, owned by the same company. The 'assisted' living facility is fully staffed with nurses who could have assisted, and were literally within shouting distance.

To say 'Sorry, I'm going to let someone die because my boss says I can't do CPR or go find someone who CAN', disgusts me.

[Marcus Aurelius]

A good example of the Obama health care laws in action.

Anyway, this happened due to government regulations.

Obama smokes.jpeg

What government regulation was involved in this? All the stories I read said the independent living facility has a rule stating no CPR, and the residents are informed of it when they sign up.

Disgusting, but there you have it.

[aboutime]

What government regulation was involved in this? All the stories I read said the independent living facility has a rule stating no CPR, and the residents are informed of it when they sign up.

Disgusting, but there you have it.

My wife worked in an Assisted Living facility a while ago. And, due to the extreme ages of many of the patients who resided there. There was an agreement with the family members, for many of the elderly patients to post a DNR. In many cases. Due to the severity of the condition of the patient. Many families put their elderly relatives in places like that expecting them to eventually die peacefully, but under the care of professional nurses, and staff.
The nurse who told the 911 operator she couldn't administer CPR was doing what had been agreed to by the family, and staff.

This has nothing to do with OBAMACARE...but it does demonstrate. If left unreported. What might become a standard of Government design to save money, rather than being the decision of family.

[Robert A Whit]

What government regulation was involved in this? All the stories I read said the independent living facility has a rule stating no CPR, and the residents are informed of it when they sign up.

Disgusting, but there you have it.

That is like saying the facility has the right to decide when you die.

Government regulations make this possible.

[aboutime]

That is like saying the facility has the right to decide when you die.

Government regulations make this possible.

Robert. RIGHT you are. That facility gets signed documents from members of the patient's families for that "DNR".

It's called being able to face reality, and helping to end the misery, and pain of many, very old, or very very sick people.

In other facilities where No "DNR" is used. Every effort is, and must be made to prolong the life of the suffering patient.

Which would you prefer for yourself, with all due respect?
Would you want to be in misery, and unending pain, in a vegetable like state, unable to be fed, always in a coma, or just permitted
to leave this world in the comfort of your sleep????

[Missileman]

That is like saying the facility has the right to decide when you die.

Government regulations make this possible.

Any chance you can provide a link to the "gubmint" regulation this nurse was following during this incident?

[Robert A Whit]

Any chance you can provide a link to the "gubmint" regulation this nurse was following during this incident?

Think what you just said. If anybody can decide when somebody will die, don't you accept it is in government regulations?

i have heard the cops are looking into this.

More of the story.

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. — A nurse's refusal to give CPR to a dying 87-year-old woman at a California independent living home despite desperate pleas from a 911 dispatcher has prompted outrage and spawned a criminal investigation.
The harrowing 7-minute, 16-second call also raised concerns about the nature of the living arrangements for seniors at a time when their numbers are growing in the U.S. and calls for legislation to prevent a repeat of what happened Feb. 26 at the Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield.
The woman collapsed in the dining room of the retirement home that offers many levels of care. She lived in the independent living building, which state officials said is like a senior apartment complex and doesn't operate under licensing oversight.



"This is a wakeup call," said Assemblywoman Mariko Yamada, chair of the California Assembly Aging and Long-term Care Committee. "I'm sorry it took a tragedy like this to bring it to our attention."
Yamada cautioned that while it's not yet known whether intervention would have saved the woman's life, "we want to investigate because it has caused a lot of concern and alarm."
State officials did not know Monday whether the woman who talked to the 911 dispatcher actually was a nurse, or just identified herself as one during the call. She said one of the home's policies prevented her from doing CPR, according to an audio recording of the call.
"The consensus is if they are a nurse and if they are at work as a nurse, then they should be offering the appropriate medical care," said Russ Heimerich, spokesman for the California Board of Registered Nursing, the agency that licenses health care providers.

The executive director of Glenwood Gardens, Jeffrey Toomer, defended the nurse in a written statement, saying she follow the facility's policy.
"In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives," Toomer said. "That is the protocol we followed."
Toomer offered condolences to the woman's family and said a thorough internal review would be conducted. He told KGET-TV that residents of the facility are informed of the policy and agree to it when they move in. He said the policy does not apply at the adjacent assisted living and skilled nursing facilities.
Multiple calls to the facility and its parent company seeking more information were not returned.
Unlike nursing homes, which provide medical care, independent living facilities generally do not.
"These are like apartments for seniors. You're basically living on your own. They may have some services provided by basic nursing staff, but it's not their responsibility to care for the individual," said Dr. Susan Leonard, a geriatrics expert at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Residents of independent living communities typically are still able to care for themselves, but may need help to get to doctor appointments. In skilled nursing facilities and nursing homes, many residents require around-the-clock care.
Staff members are "required to perform and provide CPR" unless there's a do-not-resuscitate order, said Greg Crist, a senior vice president at the American Health Care Association.
The dead woman, whose name has been reported but not officially released by authorities, did not have such an order on file at the facility, said Battalion Chief Anthony Galagaza of the Bakersfield Fire Department, which was the first on the scene. That's when firefighters immediately began CPR, continuing until she reached the hospital.
Dr. Patricia Harris, who heads the University of Southern California's geriatrics division, said the survival odds are slim among elderly who receive CPR. Even if they survive, they are never the same. She said she would override the home's policy and risk getting fired "rather than watch somebody die in front of me."
During the call, an unidentified woman called from her cell phone, and asked for paramedics to be sent to help the woman. Later, a woman who identified herself as the nurse got on the phone and told dispatcher Tracey Halvorson she was not permitted to do CPR on the woman.
Halvorson urged the nurse to start CPR, warning the consequences could be dire if no one tried to revive the woman, who had been laid out on the floor on her instructions.
"I understand if your boss is telling you, you can't do it," the dispatcher said. "But ... as a human being ... you know, is there anybody that's willing to help this lady and not let her die?"
"Not at this time," the nurse answered.
Halvorson assured the nurse that Glenwood couldn't be sued if anything went wrong in attempts to resuscitate the resident, saying the local emergency medical system "takes the liability for this call."
Later in the call, Halvorson asked, "Is there a gardener? Any staff, anyone who doesn't work for you? Anywhere? Can we flag someone down in the street and get them to help this lady? Can we flag a stranger down? I bet a stranger would help her."
"I understand if your facility is not willing to do that. Give the phone to a passer-by. This woman is not breathing enough. She is going to die if we don't get this started, do you understand?"
The woman had no pulse and wasn't breathing when fire crews reached her, Galagaza said.
Bakersfield police on Monday were investigating whether there was any criminal wrongdoing. Michaela Beard, a police spokeswoman, said she couldn't provide any further information because the investigation was ongoing.
"It's not uncommon to have someone refuse to provide CPR if they physically can't do it, or they're so upset they just can't function," Kern County Fire Department Deputy Chief Michael Miller said. "What made this one unique was the way the conversation on the phone went. It was just very frustrating to anyone listening to it, like, why wasn't anyone helping this poor woman, since CPR today is much simpler than it was in the past?"
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Associated Press writers Garance Burke in San Francisco and Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this report. Cone reported from Sacramento.

Remember too when Dr. Death Kavorkian was loose and killing those who asked him to kill them!!!!!!!!!!

[Kathianne]

It seems this 'home' had a blanket for the unit, no CPR. Many with a DNR, will allow CPR, while not allowing for ventilator or Defibrillation treatment. Depends on the parameters.

[Missileman]

Think what you just said. If anybody can decide when somebody will die, don't you accept it is in government regulations?

i have heard the cops are looking into this.

I don't need to think about what I wrote...it might work better if you actually READ it though. And your argument is bass-ackwards...if the nurse were to have performed CPR, THEN she would have been deciding when a person would die as is the case in nearly all medical treatment.

I'll repeat the request for a link to the government regulation this nurse was following, though I suspect you'll not post it again.

[Robert A Whit]

I don't need to think about what I wrote...it might work better if you actually READ it though. And your argument is bass-ackwards...if the nurse were to have performed CPR, THEN she would have been deciding when a person would die as is the case in nearly all medical treatment.

I'll repeat the request for a link to the government regulation this nurse was following, though I suspect you'll not post it again.

Nah

Nope

Nuhhhh uhhhh

So solly cholly

[fj1200]

That is like saying the facility has the right to decide when you die.

Government regulations make this possible.

Contract law makes this possible.

Think what you just said. If anybody can decide when somebody will die, don't you accept it is in government regulations?

...
"This is a wakeup call," said Assemblywoman Mariko Yamada, chair of the California Assembly Aging and Long-term Care Committee. "I'm sorry it took a tragedy like this to bring it to our attention."
Yamada cautioned that while it's not yet known whether intervention would have saved the woman's life, "we want to investigate because it has caused a lot of concern and alarm."
State officials did not know Monday whether the woman who talked to the 911 dispatcher actually was a nurse, or just identified herself as one during the call. She said one of the home's policies prevented her from doing CPR, according to an audio recording of the call.
"The consensus is if they are a nurse and if they are at work as a nurse, then they should be offering the appropriate medical care," said Russ Heimerich, spokesman for the California Board of Registered Nursing, the agency that licenses health care providers.

The patient presumably made the decision when entering the facility.

And based on the actions of the Assemblywoman now you appear to be FOR new regulations that enter into private agreements. That doesn't seem to align with your position of personal freedoms.

[Marcus Aurelius]

That is like saying the facility has the right to decide when you die.

Government regulations make this possible.

And I asked you which government regulation caused this. You don't seem to want to answer with anything specific. Why?