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    My husband and I went to eat dinner with my sister and her family on Sunday afternoon. It was a backyard type gathering with several members of my sister's neighborhood attending. One of them was a prominent member of a Latino street gang named Tony.
    Tony is pretty dismissive of the dangers of Islamic terrorism and doesn't understand why the government spends so much time and money fighting them abroad. But he likes it because it means fewer police to bother gangs.
    My husband asked him what would happen if Islamic terrorists tried to take over his neighborhood.
    "That's pretty easy. We would wait until they stopped to pray. Then we would blow their heads off."
    So I asked him what he thinks the government is doing wrong.

    "Bush and Obama, they're both the same. They get off on this killing foreigners shit. Gives them a reason not to solve any of this country's problems. I don't give a shit about Muslims. I'll give them all the Korans they want and let them pray anytime, anywhere they want. They won't come here because they know we'll fuck their shit up. The government doesn't see it like that because they want an excuse to keep building weapons and paying soldiers to kill people thousands of miles away. No one really gives a shit except for the pussies who live in big houses in gated neighborhoods. The real people on the street, we don't give a shit. We know what is really dangerous. And it ain't the dudes with beards and Korans."
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    Tony is pretty dismissive of the dangers of Islamic terrorism and doesn't understand why the government spends so much time and money fighting them abroad. But he likes it because it means fewer police to bother gangs.
    The amount our government spends with our military and abroad conflicts have nothing to do with local police or anti gang units. Hell the police will even be state or local funded where our military is funded by the feds. Tell Tony he should have stayed in school instead of being a thug.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    I bet there are a lot of things Tony doesn't understand.
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    I bet there are a lot of things Tony doesn't understand.
    I bet tony has a freaking great point. Tony's an average american who get's it. He understand what he's got in life, and the less the united states pays attention to gang issues, the happier Tony is.
    Our gov't has cared two shits about us for decades. It's all about making the world a better place. Instead of starting here in america.
    Have you seen the indian reservations?
    Have you noticed how lazy the average american is?
    Have you seen the issues this country has?
    Have you even looked into how many people are mootching off of "saftey nets"?
    Have you even looked at our economy?

    Yeah we might be free, but uncle sam has been trying to make north korea and the middle east like us for so long we've gone down the shitter.
    "If you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadet View Post
    I bet tony has a freaking great point. Tony's an average american who get's it. He understand what he's got in life, and the less the united states pays attention to gang issues, the happier Tony is.
    Our gov't has cared two shits about us for decades. It's all about making the world a better place. Instead of starting here in america.
    Have you seen the indian reservations?
    Have you noticed how lazy the average american is?
    Have you seen the issues this country has?
    Have you even looked into how many people are mootching off of "saftey nets"?
    Have you even looked at our economy?

    Yeah we might be free, but uncle sam has been trying to make north korea and the middle east like us for so long we've gone down the shitter.
    Tony's an average American? An average American doesn't become a prominent member of a street gang. Forgive me if I don't take advice or see eye to eye with a criminal. If truly a quote, it sounds more like the rant of a street corner, low educated thug to me.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadet View Post
    I bet tony has a freaking great point. Tony's an average american who get's it. He understand what he's got in life, and the less the united states pays attention to gang issues, the happier Tony is.
    Our gov't has cared two shits about us for decades. It's all about making the world a better place. Instead of starting here in america.
    Have you seen the indian reservations?
    Have you noticed how lazy the average american is?
    Have you seen the issues this country has?
    Have you even looked into how many people are mootching off of "saftey nets"?
    Have you even looked at our economy?

    Yeah we might be free, but uncle sam has been trying to make north korea and the middle east like us for so long we've gone down the shitter.
    Naw. I'm only 62 years old and retired from the Army after 30 years of service. I haven't noticed a thing, looked into anything, been anywhere, or seen anything at all.
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Tony's an average American? An average American doesn't become a prominent member of a street gang. Forgive me if I don't take advice or see eye to eye with a criminal. If truly a quote, it sounds more like the rant of a street corner, low educated thug to me.
    I don't care who the hell he is, look at the point he made. "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once and a while"
    "If you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    I bet there are a lot of things Tony doesn't understand.
    I bet there are a lot of things that you don't understand. You have only known one way of life.
    Besides, you would like Tony. He goes to a lot of gun shows and buys a lot of weapons. My brother in law saws he has a really nice collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    My husband and I went to eat dinner with my sister and her family on Sunday afternoon. It was a backyard type gathering with several members of my sister's neighborhood attending. One of them was a prominent member of a Latino street gang named Tony.
    Tony is pretty dismissive of the dangers of Islamic terrorism and doesn't understand why the government spends so much time and money fighting them abroad. But he likes it because it means fewer police to bother gangs.
    My husband asked him what would happen if Islamic terrorists tried to take over his neighborhood.
    "That's pretty easy. We would wait until they stopped to pray. Then we would blow their heads off."
    So I asked him what he thinks the government is doing wrong.

    "Bush and Obama, they're both the same. They get off on this killing foreigners shit. Gives them a reason not to solve any of this country's problems. I don't give a shit about Muslims. I'll give them all the Korans they want and let them pray anytime, anywhere they want. They won't come here because they know we'll fuck their shit up. The government doesn't see it like that because they want an excuse to keep building weapons and paying soldiers to kill people thousands of miles away. No one really gives a shit except for the pussies who live in big houses in gated neighborhoods. The real people on the street, we don't give a shit. We know what is really dangerous. And it ain't the dudes with beards and Korans."
    Clearly your family has some violent gang members as friends. Sorry to hear that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    I bet there are a lot of things that you don't understand. You have only known one way of life.
    Besides, you would like Tony. He goes to a lot of gun shows and buys a lot of weapons. My brother in law saws he has a really nice collection.

    Too bad Gabby is still clueless here. Bragging about a known Gang member going to gun shows to buy weapons.
    That sounds very much like Gabby Supports Violence. And also supports local terrorism, and terrorists...by DEFAULT.
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadet View Post
    I don't care who the hell he is, look at the point he made. "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once and a while"
    So you don't believe in fighting terrorism abroad? Be very careful of the force you join then if you have an issue with this! You further agree that the federal funding of our military takes away from funding of our police forces?
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    So you don't believe in fighting terrorism abroad? Be very careful of the force you join then if you have an issue with this! You further agree that the federal funding of our military takes away from funding of our police forces?
    I have nothing to say after this. And I don't appose fighting terrorism. I have an issue with mothering all countries that should take care of themselves while we suffer.

    http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications...fs/foc121f.pdf



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    The Pine Ridge Indian reservation, home to the Oglala Lakota Sioux, is one of the largest and most impoverished reservations in the United States. Located in the southwest corridor of South Dakota, the reservation is geographically isolated, resting approximately 100 miles away from the nearest metropolitan area, Rapid City. The reservation is home to approximately 35,000 people, most of whom (80%) reside in Shannon County, the second poorest county in the nation. The town of Pine Ridge, which lies within the heart of Shannon County, is the largest town on the reservation and is the location of the tribal government offices. The tribal offices and the nearby Prairie Wind Casino, an establishment composed of three trailers resting on cinder blocks, are virtually the only source of employment on the reservation. The land is infertile with little opportunity for agriculture and there is no other industry or commercial enterprises existing in the surrounding area. There is little development in the area, what development there is consists of a solitary gas station, grocery store and a couple of fast food restaurants. The grocery store, however, is so expensive that most people are forced to reduce their shopping to a single day a month, when they are able to travel 80 miles to the nearest town to purchase affordable groceries. The closest town, White Clay, Nebraska (population 22) consists primarily of three liquor stores that sell an estimated 11,000 cans of beer a day to inhabitants of the reservation. There is no public library on the reservation. No movie theatre. No recreation centers. Life on Pine Ridge offers few extracurricular options beyond school-supported athletics.

    After more than a 100 years of 'development and progress' Pine Ridge remains in dire straits. With an unemployment rate that lingers around 85%, substandard housing (1 in 4 homes doesn't have an indoor toilet), rampant crime and drug issues, severe housing shortage (there are only 3,000 homes for 35,000 people) and health conditions that parallel third world classification, the Oglala Sioux are struggling to maintain their sovereignty as a people, culture and community. When you scrutinize the limited available data even a little closer, it is easy to see just how much of a crisis they are confronting:

    On Pine Ridge, 63% of the population lives below the poverty line, that's 2 out 3 people. (USDA)

    Average annual family income, not individual, is $3,700 per year (U.S. Census Bureau)

    There is an unemployment rate of approximately 85% (U.S. Census Bureau)

    Infant mortality rate 300% higher than the U.S. national average (United Nations and Peoples Organization)

    Diabetes and Tuberculosis rates 300% higher than the U.S. national average; Fifty percent of adults over age 40 living on Pine Ridge have diabetes. (Indian Health Services)

    One-third of the homes are severely substandard, without water, electricity, adequate insulation, and sewage systems (Indian Housing Authority)

    The High School drop-out rate is 70%, compared to a national average of 11% average (United Nations and Peoples Organization)

    Schools on Pine Ridge are in the bottom 10 percent of school funding by the U.S. Department of Education (Bureau of Indian Affairs)

    Recent reports state the average life expectancy is 48 years old for men and 52 years old for women, the shortest for any community in the Western Hemisphere outside of Haiti (AIRC)

    There is an estimated average of 12 people living in each family home; a house with only two to three rooms (National American Indian Housing Council)

    The teenage suicide rate on Pine Ridge is 150 percent higher than the national average (Dakota-Lakota-Nakota). Alcoholism affects 8 out of 10 families on the Reservation, while the death rate from alcoholism is 9 times the national average (Dakota-Lakota-Nakota)

    Pine Ridge is not the only American Indian reservation in the United States, suffering from this extreme poverty, poor health care and inadequate educational system, but it is the worst. We have no magical cure for these deeply burdening troubles, but we do feel that each and everyone of these individuals, especially the children and elderly, deserves the same access to food that the rest of our society is privileged to.We desire to provide access to this fundamental necessity, so as to allow these people to again become self-sufficient.
    Illegal immigration,
    poverty,
    unemployment
    hunger,
    welfare,
    food stamps,
    lack of education,
    druggies,
    homeless,
    domestic violence,
    And then every issue we talk about on here (including our rights being infringed upon),
    etc.
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    Ya know what? Lets add to this list of issues we have in america that are being ignored.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/heres-the...ployment-rate/
    NEW YORK – The real unemployment rate for December 2012 is closer to 23 percent, not the 7.8 percent reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, according to economist John Williams.

    <center style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">http://www.socialstudieshelp.com/usra_new_deal.htm
    <center>Relief</center><center>Immediate action taken to halt the economies deterioration.</center> <center>Recovery</center><center>"Pump - Priming" Temporary programs to restart the flow of consumer demand.</center> <center>Reform</center><center>Permanent programs to avoid another depression and insure citizens against economic disasters.</center>
    <center>Bank Holiday</center><center>Declared so that the panic would be stopped.</center> <center>Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA)</center><center>Taxed food processors and gave the money directly to farmers as a payment for not growing food. This decreased supply so price would go up.</center> <center>Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC)
    </center><center>Permanent Agency set up to monitor stock market activity and ensure that no fraud or insider trading was taking place.</center>
    <center>Emergency Banking Act
    </center><center>Closed the insolvent banks and only reopened the solvent ones.</center>
    <center>National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA)</center><center>Created the NRA (National Recovery Administration) a consortium of businesses organized by the government and given the power to set rules and regulations for the economy. Members of the NRA displayed a blue eagle.</center> <center>Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)</center><center>Permanent Agency designed to insure depositors money in savings banks. Originally insured up to $5,000 per depositor today it has increased to $100,000.</center>
    <center>Federal Emergency Relief Act (FERA)
    </center><center>Gave immediate help to those that needed it in the form of cash payments.</center>
    <center>Home Owners Loan Corp.</center><center>Gave loans to home owners so they could pay their mortgages. This prevented people from going homeless and prevented banks from going under.</center> <center>Social Security Administration
    </center><center>Permanent agency designed to ensure that the older segment of society always would have enough money to survive. The key here is that they would then also be able to spend throughout their lives.</center>
    <center>Civil Works Administration (CWA)</center><center>Provided temporary jobs repairing roads and bridges.</center> <center>Works Progress Administration (WPA)
    </center><center>Provided long term government jobs building schools and other public works projects.</center>
    <center>National Labor Relations Act and National Labor Relations Board (NLRA/NLRB)</center><center>Otherwise known as the Wagner Act it helped unions and thus helped workers. This acted created the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) which enforced labor law and made sure that fair business practices where upheld.</center>
    <center>Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC)</center><center>Temporary jobs to unmarried single adults filling sand bags and helping out at disaster type situations. Participants lived in barracks type housing.</center> <center>Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)</center><center>Agency created to build dams in the Tennessee river valley. These dams provided more stable irrigation and cheap hydroelectric power.</center> <center>Soil Conservation Act</center><center>Laws mandating proper soil maintenance to make sure that another dust bowl was avoided.</center>

    </center>
    what your taxes are paying for

    http://content.thirdway.org/publicat...er_Receipt.pdf
    What You Paid For2009 tax receipt for a taxpayer earning $34,140 and paying
    $5,400 in federal income tax and FICA (selected items)4
    Social Security $1,040.70
    Medicare $625.51
    Medicaid $385.28
    Interest on the National Debt $287.03
    Combat Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan $229.17
    Military Personnel $192.79
    Veteran’s Benefits $74.65
    Federal Highways $63.89
    Health care research (NIH) $46.54
    Foreign Aid $46.08
    Education Funding for Low Income K-12 Students $38.17
    Military Retirement Benefits $32.60
    Pell Grants for Low Income College Students $29.75
    NASA Space Program $28.09
    Internal Revenue Service $17.69
    Environmental Clean Up (EPA) $11.67
    The FBI $11.21
    Head Start $10.91
    Public Housing $10.50
    National Parks $ 4.27
    Drug Enforcement Agency $3.14
    Amtrak $2.23
    Smithsonian Museum $1.12
    Funding for the Arts $0.24
    Salaries and benefits for members of Congress $0.19
    Let's note now that SS was supposed to be temporary

    Let's also note that the US postal service is still being paid for by the Gov't, even though other businesses do that job.

    I'm going to continue to note that the DMV has the shittiest service ever.

    Now I'm going to mention that Air lines used to have FANTASTIC service, until the gov't got on board with them.

    http://www.goodcitizen.org/wwla%20bo...es%20email.htm
    Some of the Taxes Americans Pay Each Year
    If you don't read it all, go to the endingthen you may want to. Isn't this amazing?
    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    Capital Gains Tax
    CDL license Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Court Fines (indirect taxes)
    Dog License Tax
    Federal Income Tax
    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel permit tax
    Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax Interest expense(tax on the money)
    Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
    IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Local Income Tax
    Luxury Taxes
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Septic Permit Tax
    Service Charge Taxes
    Social Security Tax
    Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
    Sales Taxes
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    Road Toll Booth Taxes
    School Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone federal excise tax
    Telephone federal universal service fee tax
    Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
    Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
    Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
    Telephone state and local tax
    Telephone usage charge tax
    Toll Bridge Taxes
    Toll Tunnel Taxes
    Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
    Trailer registration tax
    Utility Taxes
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax
    COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largestmiddle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What the hell happened?
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    http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/About/FAQ

    http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-...tatistics.aspx

    It just keeps going, I could go on all day about what's being ignored on a daily bases in America.
    And we need to mother every single freaking country that has a little issue??? That's why we have enemies! If we step back they won't have any reason to do anything about us! And then we can finally focus on the dirt and grime that's slowly taking over America!

    For example, gay marriage was UNHEARD OF 20 years ago. That's just one thing that's gone from discusting and evil to normal practice.
    Here's another one, finish this sentence. "Frankly my dear, i don't give a..." How many cuss words are there in a normal show now? What is that teaching children? How about the amount of sex scenes? You think that's not contributing to teen pregnancy?

    Why the hell are we so concerned with other contries????? We have enough people to make up 6 or 7 countries and we're ignoring that population!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    So you don't believe in fighting terrorism abroad? Be very careful of the force you join then if you have an issue with this! You further agree that the federal funding of our military takes away from funding of our police forces?
    I believe terrorism abroad should be taken care of by the countries affected by such.
    How is federal funding of the military linked to funding of our police forces?

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