NYPD Commissioner admitted that cops target minorites in stop & frisk

[red states rule]

[revelarts]

More like cops PREVENTING crimes from taking place

red you don't prevent crimes by accusing innocents of crimes.
it's just harassment and racist.
Sorry you seem to think being black on the street is a crime.

[red states rule]

red you don't prevent crimes by accusing innocents of crimes.
it's just harassment and racist.
Sorry you seem to think being black on the street is a crime.

Rev, YOU pulling the race card from the bottom of the deck? I never thought you would be so desperate to have to sink to that level

[revelarts]

Rev, YOU pulling the race card from the bottom of the deck? I never thought you would be so desperate to have to sink to that level

Red i post a video of 3 blacks guys apparently getting a ticketed for being black on the street
and you say the police are preventing crime and targeting the "red light district".
what is that?

harassing and Ticketing black guys in there own neighbor for nothing is what?
what would you call it?
seems your calling it good police work.

no crime, no guns, no drugs, no disturbance.
Where is the crime?
Except for being black?

IF police accuse innocent blacks ONLY because they are black
That is racist.
not Good police work
If people assume that EVERY young black male is a criminal who needs to get ticketed for being on the street that IS Racist. And illegal.
I'm not sure how we can can say otherwise. Is the only definition of white racist behavior a full blown Klansman?

You posted a cartoon of Muslim Setro-types that the police where watching. notice in your cartoon the police were JUST watching not ticketing or Frisking.
But what's going on in the picture? THEY ARE MAKING A BOMB.
The cartoon doesn't show them reading the newspapers or playing cards?
Those things are not illegal and would show that the Police ARE targeting them WITHOUT A CAUSE.

However Police watching is one thing, but if they see over time that they have no cause it's time to move on, end of story. The profile seems to have proved false, move on. No harm no foul at that point.

[taft2012]

Red i post a video of 3 blacks guys apparently getting a ticketed for being black on the street

It's true. We issues summonses for this. In the caption where is says "Offense" we write in "Being Black on the Street."

Then when we go to court we explain to the judge that the respondent "was seen being black on the street."


The judge asks the respondent if this is true. The respondent can only say "Yes, your honor. It's true. I was black on the street."

The judge, horrified, slams his gavel and shouts "GUILTY!"

[jimnyc]

Red i post a video of 3 blacks guys apparently getting a ticketed for being black on the street
and you say the police are preventing crime and targeting the "red light district".
what is that?

harassing and Ticketing black guys in there own neighbor for nothing is what?
what would you call it?
seems your calling it good police work.

no crime, no guns, no drugs, no disturbance.
Where is the crime?
Except for being black?

IF police accuse innocent blacks ONLY because they are black
That is racist.
not Good police work
If people assume that EVERY young black male is a criminal who needs to get ticketed for being on the street that IS Racist. And illegal.
I'm not sure how we can can say otherwise. Is the only definition of white racist behavior a full blown Klansman?

You posted a cartoon of Muslim Setro-types that the police where watching. notice in your cartoon the police were JUST watching not ticketing or Frisking.
But what's going on in the picture? THEY ARE MAKING A BOMB.
The cartoon doesn't show them reading the newspapers or playing cards?
Those things are not illegal and would show that the Police ARE targeting them WITHOUT A CAUSE.

However Police watching is one thing, but if they see over time that they have no cause it's time to move on, end of story. The profile seems to have proved false, move on. No harm no foul at that point.

Admittedly, I watched about a minute and a half...

Where is the beginning of the video? It seems to start while they have tickets in their hand already. They say they got their tickets for blocking pedestrians from walking. Have they done so before? Did they attempt to leave? Did police ask them to leave/move? It IS a legit concern to ask people to not loiter in certain areas.

The vid is 13 mins long it appears. Is it worth me watching? Do the police come back? I don't like watching one sided videos and making a determination. I made my mini determination based on the 1st minute or so and the words of the gents.

[jimnyc]

One may want to look into the person videotaping or hosting the video. The video only starts after the fact, and this person has a long history of anti-police crap. Unless I see what happened, it's nothing more than the word of a bunch of black guys on the street corner in Harlem and someone taping that has an agenda against police.

[revelarts]

This is their account take it as you will. don't ask me to defend this or that,
or answer this or that point i wasn't there. make your own judgements.
Just putting it out FYI...

Admittedly, I watched about a minute and a half...
Where is the beginning of the video? It seems to start while they have tickets in their hand already. They say they got their tickets for blocking pedestrians from walking. Have they done so before? Did they attempt to leave? Did police ask them to leave/move? It IS a legit concern to ask people to not loiter in certain areas.
The vid is 13 mins long it appears. Is it worth me watching? Do the police come back? I don't like watching one sided videos and making a determination. I made my mini determination based on the 1st minute or so and the words of the gents.

One may want to look into the person videotaping or hosting the video. The video only starts after the fact, and this person has a long history of anti-police crap. Unless I see what happened, it's nothing more than the word of a bunch of black guys on the street corner in Harlem and someone taping that has an agenda against police.

As i said don't ask me to defend all the points.
I mentioned the highlights of the content of the video, it answers one of your questions, as far as i know there is no other vids. We can make what ever assumptions we want and believe what we want. I've got nothing more to add, like i said i wasn't there and can't vouch for the police or the camera guy or the guys on the street.

Assume what you will. Make your best judgement. Or dismiss the whole thing.

[jimnyc]

As i said don't ask me to defend all the points.
I mentioned the highlights of the content of the video, it answers one of your questions, as far as i know there is no other vids. We can make what ever assumptions we want and believe what we want. I've got nothing more to add, like i said i wasn't there and can't vouch for the police or the camera guy or the guys on the street.

Assume what you will. Make your best judgement. Or dismiss the whole thing.

I just make judgments based on facts. Had the video showed the police showing up and ticketing for no reason, I would be saying the same thing as you are. For all I know though, these guys have been asked to stop loitering 50x and now decided to make a video and put it on the 'net. All we can rely on is what they say, which I think is a bit one sided likely, wouldn't you? Really ALL we can do is assume at this point, without all of the facts.

Wouldn't you prefer to see ALL of the facts and what got to that point before determining what really happened? I think it would be dishonest of anyone here to make a determination on a one sided video.

[taft2012]

Assume what you will. Make your best judgement. Or dismiss the whole thing.

Dismissed.

[revelarts]

I just make judgments based on facts. Had the video showed the police showing up and ticketing for no reason, I would be saying the same thing as you are. For all I know though, these guys have been asked to stop loitering 50x and now decided to make a video and put it on the 'net. All we can rely on is what they say, which I think is a bit one sided likely, wouldn't you? Really ALL we can do is assume at this point, without all of the facts.

Wouldn't you prefer to see ALL of the facts and what got to that point before determining what really happened? I think it would be dishonest of anyone here to make a determination on a one sided video.

For all we know they could be telling the truth

the last part of the video shows the police driving by again and saying "welcome to the nieghborhood Jerk."
I guess we can assume that that's regulation police greeting in NY.
Or that there was past history that merited that response. Or the police came down from heaven in a basket.

but how about , assuming for a moment that what they said was basically true.
If , hypothetically it is all true.
it would indeed be racism and illegal wouldn't it?
just hypothetically speaking. It seems others here think there nothing wrong with the polices actions, even if they are telling the truth.

But IF, as you assume, there's some conspiracy to make the police look bad. That those guys are indeed regular criminals, that they are lying, that the camera guy has an anti-police agenda, that they spent all the time doing it for those dark purposes.
Sure that might be true too.
And IF that is the case then I apologize to the police in this case, for giving these guys the general benefit of the doubt.

But if not, then the police are... as described... committing unconstitutional, racist and illegal acts on a systematic basis. Which is what's been described ,not just by them but, by many others in NY. All of whom i suppose are criminals and liars including those police, judges, and city officials who confirm bad police behavior in general.

[aboutime]

Rev is guilty of nothing but...pulling the race card. It's a typical liberal trick they play whenever they are stumped, or confronted by facts known to be true....that cannot be changed to meet the Liberal definitions of their own made-up facts.

[logroller]

Dismissed.

That's usually what happens with manufactured misdemeanors. Oh well, maybe the next time you trample someone's civil rights it'll stick.

[red states rule]

This is really amazing. The crime rate in NYC has dropped like a rock over the last 15 years, and now the bleeding hearts want to make it easier for the criminals to commit crimes

[logroller]

Rev, YOU pulling the race card from the bottom of the deck? I never thought you would be so desperate to have to sink to that level

The nypd is using criminal profiling, those who commit crimes just happen to be African American.

"We are trying to save his life," Kelly said, when told of Walters' suspicion. "And we are trying to save the life of other young people who are disproportionately victimized on the streets of this city and other cities throughout America.


"We empathize with young people who may have been stopped and weren't doing anything illegal," he continued. "We ask them to understand that we are engaged in what we believe to be a life-saving process. And we hope they understand that."

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19084229

To me this logic is inherently the same "liberal" justification you despise in many other aspects of policy, be it sodas, lunch menus, gasoline prices or environmental regulations. It seems the only difference upon whether you take issue is if you personally affected, then it's a liberal conspiracy; otherwise, it's just whining libs.