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    Dr. Rupert Sheldrake presented a TEDX talk and he was censored on TEDx youtube channel by a Dr's Myers and Coins army of follows who are hard core naturalist.
    More faithful naturalist than scientist.

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    In Science Set Free (originally published to acclaim in the UK as The Science Delusion), Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, one of the world's most innovative scientists, shows the ways in which science is being constricted by assumptions that have, over the years, hardened into dogmas. Such dogmas are not only limiting, but dangerous for the future of humanity.

    According to these principles, all of reality is material or physical; the world is a machine, made up of inanimate matter; nature is purposeless; consciousness is nothing but the physical activity of the brain; free will is an illusion; God exists only as an idea in human minds, imprisoned within our skulls.

    But should science be a belief-system, or a method of enquiry? Sheldrake shows that the materialist ideology is moribund; under its sway, increasingly expensive research is reaping diminishing returns while societies around the world are paying the price.

    In the skeptical spirit of true science, Sheldrake turns the ten fundamental dogmas of materialism into exciting questions, and shows how all of them open up startling new possibilities for discovery.

    Science Set Free will radically change your view of what is real and what is possible.
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    So now. rev has become L. RON HUBBARD?????

    Or maybe Tom Cruise. The master of SCIENTOLOGY???
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    Can people talk about anything without someone slaping some BS label on the idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post

    Why else would you feel any need to post this rev?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Why else would you feel any need to post this rev?
    With all due respect, I don't think he needs a reason to make a thread/post, other than it interests him. If people are interested, they will reply, if not, they shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Why else would you feel any need to post this rev?
    Well taking your comment in the best light i'm guessing it was a joke. but it wasn't that funny IMO
    so i posted .

    the comment that followed was a more serious take ,
    it just seems that often when someone post some ideas or commentary that someone doesn't like, or haven't heard that POV or facts before that they put a negative label on the person and try to fit them into a box they've designed to fit those type of ideas. Then close the box.
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    a few score of Scientist Challenge the Big Bang theory wrote an open letter to New Science mag in 2004. This is fairly old news but fairly new to me. but it seems there's powerful evidence that disproves the Big Bang theory. Evidence that's often been pushed aside by the "unbiased" and "only searching for truth" scientific establishment.

    really interesting stuff.
    what we don't know about the Comos seems to be much more than same are willing to admit.
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    An Open Letter to the Scientific Community
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    The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory.

    But the big bang theory can't survive without these fudge factors. Without the hypothetical inflation field, the big bang does not predict the smooth, isotropic cosmic background radiation that is observed, because there would be no way for parts of the universe that are now more than a few degrees away in the sky to come to the same temperature and thus emit the same amount of microwave radiation.

    Without some kind of dark matter, unlike any that we have observed on Earth despite 20 years of experiments, big-bang theory makes contradictory predictions for the density of matter in the universe. Inflation requires a density 20 times larger than that implied by big bang nucleosynthesis, the theory's explanation of the origin of the light elements. And without dark energy, the theory predicts that the universe is only about 8 billion years old, which is billions of years younger than the age of many stars in our galaxy.

    What is more, the big bang theory can boast of no quantitative predictions that have subsequently been validated by observation. The successes claimed by the theory's supporters consist of its ability to retrospectively fit observations with a steadily increasing array of adjustable parameters, just as the old Earth-centered cosmology of Ptolemy needed layer upon layer of epicycles.

    Yet the big bang is not the only framework available for understanding the history of the universe. Plasma cosmology and the steady-state model both hypothesize an evolving universe without beginning or end. These and other alternative approaches can also explain the basic phenomena of the cosmos, including the abundances of light elements, the generation of large-scale structure, the cosmic background radiation, and how the redshift of far-away galaxies increases with distance. They have even predicted new phenomena that were subsequently observed, something the big bang has failed to do.

    Supporters of the big bang theory may retort that these theories do not explain every cosmological observation. But that is scarcely surprising, as their development has been severely hampered by a complete lack of funding. Indeed, such questions and alternatives cannot even now be freely discussed and examined. An open exchange of ideas is lacking in most mainstream conferences. Whereas Richard Feynman could say that "science is the culture of doubt", in cosmology today doubt and dissent are not tolerated, and young scientists learn to remain silent if they have something negative to say about the standard big bang model. Those who doubt the big bang fear that saying so will cost them their funding.

    Even observations are now interpreted through this biased filter, judged right or wrong depending on whether or not they support the big bang. So discordant data on red shifts, lithium and helium abundances, and galaxy distribution, among other topics, are ignored or ridiculed. This reflects a growing dogmatic mindset that is alien to the spirit of free scientific inquiry.

    Today, virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology are devoted to big bang studies. Funding comes from only a few sources, and all the peer-review committees that control them are dominated by supporters of the big bang. As a result, the dominance of the big bang within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the scientific validity of the theory.

    Giving support only to projects within the big bang framework undermines a fundamental element of the scientific method -- the constant testing of theory against observation. Such a restriction makes unbiased discussion and research impossible. To redress this, we urge those agencies that fund work in cosmology to set aside a significant fraction of their funding for investigations into alternative theories and observational contradictions of the big bang. To avoid bias, the peer review committee that allocates such funds could be composed of astronomers and physicists from outside the field of cosmology.

    Allocating funding to investigations into the big bang's validity, and its alternatives, would allow the scientific process to determine our most accurate model of the history of the universe.
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    Yes, it is extremely interesting. I had the privilege of meeting Dr. Henry Morris (now the late Dr. Morris) and he has several books that show how ignorant the big bang loons really are. Google him and get a few of his books. His son not runs the Creative Institute in CA. so you may wish to google that as well.

    I'm not getting into the debate again because it would be a waste of time to the closed minded. I see the argument and once believed in evolution but I have gotten smarter/wiser over the years and now see all the holes in this THEORY. I was particularly enlightened when I met Dr. Morris.

    Wait on the hateful nuts to appear and try to debunk (disrespectfully so) another person's beliefs in another more reasonable theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red state View Post
    ... another more reasonable theory.
    Young Earth is more reasonable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Young Earth is more reasonable?
    At this point I'd say as reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    At this point I'd say as reasonable.
    A stretch to say the least. Lest I be tagged as "closed minded."
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    A stretch to say the least.
    you might be surprised.
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    Rev, I like this thread. It is true that all new scientific "facts" are being based off of unproven hypothesis, if anything get's proven wrong, like the big bang, everything else goes kaput.
    I think the whole thing is about when you look into new things, don't base it off of anything.
    What is it that detectives say? "If you're looking for a suicide, that's what you'll find. If you're looking for a murder, that's what you'll find. Don't rule out anything."
    Hell, why even rule out that matter can't be created or destroyed? Do you have any idea what kind of theories would come out of that with expansion of the universe???
    Who's to say that the universe isn't just a continually ticking clock, and there's neither beginnings nor endings in this universe, and time just keeps repeating itself in phases? Maybe history keeps repeating itself every couple billion years? Maybe we've nuked ourselves countless times into oblivion?
    what if when black holes get so big, they rip a hole in the plane of space time, and shoot out in all directions due to massive amounts of anti-gravity?
    who's to say there aren't multiple dimensions, that are all touching eachother in the 4th dimension, and there's a doorway somewhere leading to them? Maybe black holes are said doorway?
    What if atoms aren't shaped the way we picture them? and they're actually some different thing all together?
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    I agree and have had these "KraZy" thoughts as well. The possibilities or repetitive "history" is indeed fascinating!!!! I thought that the END could very well be the loop that starts it all over again. Who really knows but to be closed minded to legitimate possibilities while accepting what you've been told, taught or read is simply being a puppet without thought or character....just a piece of wood (or an old sock). I once bought into the THEORY of evolution during high school and college years but within my psychology classes, all sorts of innovative thinking was opened up to me via a brilliant Psych Professor. Then I met the absolutely brilliant Dr. Henry Morris. After spending a week with him during one of his conferences, I saw even more holes that disproved the theory of "something from nothing". Creationism, Intelligent Design and even perpetualism (both relative and BIBLICAL) seemed more reasonable and truly would benefit our children to OPEN their MINDS.
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    What if there is such thing as rebirth? What if time just keeps repeating, and souls just keep getting spun out into the world? And what if the world is simply affected by thought alone? And there's no real such thing as the world, just the mental image that most people have come up with?
    Say everything is based on what people think, and non of it is real. Ever heard of experiments that change based on whether or not they're being observed?
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