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    Dr. Rupert Sheldrake presented a TEDX talk and he was censored on TEDx youtube channel by a Dr's Myers and Coins army of follows who are hard core naturalist.
    More faithful naturalist than scientist.

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    In Science Set Free (originally published to acclaim in the UK as The Science Delusion), Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, one of the world's most innovative scientists, shows the ways in which science is being constricted by assumptions that have, over the years, hardened into dogmas. Such dogmas are not only limiting, but dangerous for the future of humanity.

    According to these principles, all of reality is material or physical; the world is a machine, made up of inanimate matter; nature is purposeless; consciousness is nothing but the physical activity of the brain; free will is an illusion; God exists only as an idea in human minds, imprisoned within our skulls.

    But should science be a belief-system, or a method of enquiry? Sheldrake shows that the materialist ideology is moribund; under its sway, increasingly expensive research is reaping diminishing returns while societies around the world are paying the price.

    In the skeptical spirit of true science, Sheldrake turns the ten fundamental dogmas of materialism into exciting questions, and shows how all of them open up startling new possibilities for discovery.

    Science Set Free will radically change your view of what is real and what is possible.
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    So now. rev has become L. RON HUBBARD?????

    Or maybe Tom Cruise. The master of SCIENTOLOGY???
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    Can people talk about anything without someone slaping some BS label on the idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post

    Why else would you feel any need to post this rev?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Why else would you feel any need to post this rev?
    With all due respect, I don't think he needs a reason to make a thread/post, other than it interests him. If people are interested, they will reply, if not, they shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Why else would you feel any need to post this rev?
    Well taking your comment in the best light i'm guessing it was a joke. but it wasn't that funny IMO
    so i posted .

    the comment that followed was a more serious take ,
    it just seems that often when someone post some ideas or commentary that someone doesn't like, or haven't heard that POV or facts before that they put a negative label on the person and try to fit them into a box they've designed to fit those type of ideas. Then close the box.
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    a few score of Scientist Challenge the Big Bang theory wrote an open letter to New Science mag in 2004. This is fairly old news but fairly new to me. but it seems there's powerful evidence that disproves the Big Bang theory. Evidence that's often been pushed aside by the "unbiased" and "only searching for truth" scientific establishment.

    really interesting stuff.
    what we don't know about the Comos seems to be much more than same are willing to admit.
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    An Open Letter to the Scientific Community
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    (Published in New Scientist, May 22, 2004)

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    The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory.

    But the big bang theory can't survive without these fudge factors. Without the hypothetical inflation field, the big bang does not predict the smooth, isotropic cosmic background radiation that is observed, because there would be no way for parts of the universe that are now more than a few degrees away in the sky to come to the same temperature and thus emit the same amount of microwave radiation.

    Without some kind of dark matter, unlike any that we have observed on Earth despite 20 years of experiments, big-bang theory makes contradictory predictions for the density of matter in the universe. Inflation requires a density 20 times larger than that implied by big bang nucleosynthesis, the theory's explanation of the origin of the light elements. And without dark energy, the theory predicts that the universe is only about 8 billion years old, which is billions of years younger than the age of many stars in our galaxy.

    What is more, the big bang theory can boast of no quantitative predictions that have subsequently been validated by observation. The successes claimed by the theory's supporters consist of its ability to retrospectively fit observations with a steadily increasing array of adjustable parameters, just as the old Earth-centered cosmology of Ptolemy needed layer upon layer of epicycles.

    Yet the big bang is not the only framework available for understanding the history of the universe. Plasma cosmology and the steady-state model both hypothesize an evolving universe without beginning or end. These and other alternative approaches can also explain the basic phenomena of the cosmos, including the abundances of light elements, the generation of large-scale structure, the cosmic background radiation, and how the redshift of far-away galaxies increases with distance. They have even predicted new phenomena that were subsequently observed, something the big bang has failed to do.

    Supporters of the big bang theory may retort that these theories do not explain every cosmological observation. But that is scarcely surprising, as their development has been severely hampered by a complete lack of funding. Indeed, such questions and alternatives cannot even now be freely discussed and examined. An open exchange of ideas is lacking in most mainstream conferences. Whereas Richard Feynman could say that "science is the culture of doubt", in cosmology today doubt and dissent are not tolerated, and young scientists learn to remain silent if they have something negative to say about the standard big bang model. Those who doubt the big bang fear that saying so will cost them their funding.

    Even observations are now interpreted through this biased filter, judged right or wrong depending on whether or not they support the big bang. So discordant data on red shifts, lithium and helium abundances, and galaxy distribution, among other topics, are ignored or ridiculed. This reflects a growing dogmatic mindset that is alien to the spirit of free scientific inquiry.

    Today, virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology are devoted to big bang studies. Funding comes from only a few sources, and all the peer-review committees that control them are dominated by supporters of the big bang. As a result, the dominance of the big bang within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the scientific validity of the theory.

    Giving support only to projects within the big bang framework undermines a fundamental element of the scientific method -- the constant testing of theory against observation. Such a restriction makes unbiased discussion and research impossible. To redress this, we urge those agencies that fund work in cosmology to set aside a significant fraction of their funding for investigations into alternative theories and observational contradictions of the big bang. To avoid bias, the peer review committee that allocates such funds could be composed of astronomers and physicists from outside the field of cosmology.

    Allocating funding to investigations into the big bang's validity, and its alternatives, would allow the scientific process to determine our most accurate model of the history of the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Well taking your comment in the best light i'm guessing it was a joke. but it wasn't that funny IMO
    so i posted .

    the comment that followed was a more serious take ,
    it just seems that often when someone post some ideas or commentary that someone doesn't like, or haven't heard that POV or facts before that they put a negative label on the person and try to fit them into a box they've designed to fit those type of ideas. Then close the box.
    Sure, some people post first thing that comes to mind. Most often I'd be in big trouble if I did that. I generally find your posts very interesting and almost always bountiful with information. Now you know which ever I do agree or not agree with your point of view I always at least read and consider it. We all should be a bit more considerate of the fact that gaining knowledge is beneficial and a good policy to pursue. My problem with some of the information you are citing is I simply do not believe the time frame put on many samples by science today. I think it was rigged long ago to fit the current theory of evolution. Even today we've found animals that were supposed to have gone extinct millions of years ago! And cave drawings that depicted cave man hunting/fighting dinosaurs etc. When such doesn't jive makes me suspicious of much of the current info given by science.--Tyr
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    Nobody knows and nobody can prove how old the earth is . Nobody knows or can prove how old the universe is. I've always thought the immense time span given for earth's age was given to allow for the theory of Evolution. Eons of million year time spans are the magic elixir that allows for evolution. Instead of magic fairy dust they used incomprehensible lengths of time to allow for the changes in earth and its creatures. Since nobody knows or can prove earth's age I'm going with somewhere between 7 to 11 million years . I always liked those numbers and won a lot money with them......--Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Nobody knows and nobody can prove how old the earth is . Nobody knows or can prove how old the universe is. I've always thought the immense time span given for earth's age was given to allow for the theory of Evolution. Eons of million year time spans are the magic elixir that allows for evolution. Instead of magic fairy dust they used incomprehensible lengths of time to allow for the changes in earth and its creatures. Since nobody knows or can prove earth's age I'm going with somewhere between 7 to 11 million years . I always liked those numbers and won a lot money with them......--Tyr
    I dunno Ty. I have more confidence in the math of the creation of the universe than I have in global climate change. When you get a chance, take a look at some good photos of the Grand Canyon and realize how many years it takes to pack down an inch of sediment and then figure out how long it took to first make that canyon and how much longer it took a river to cut it out. They say you can see almost back to the beginning of earth time in that canyon if you know what to look for. All i know is it is very very old and not 6,000 or 10,000 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert A Whit View Post
    I dunno Ty. I have more confidence in the math of the creation of the universe than I have in global climate change. When you get a chance, take a look at some good photos of the Grand Canyon and realize how many years it takes to pack down an inch of sediment and then figure out how long it took to first make that canyon and how much longer it took a river to cut it out. They say you can see almost back to the beginning of earth time in that canyon if you know what to look for. All i know is it is very very old and not 6,000 or 10,000 years old.
    There's good reason to place more value on theories on the age of earth than anthropomorphic global climate change; the age of earth isn't unprecedented. Were I to say that the earths climate changes, that's proven by science to be true--it has changed, multiple times throughout history-- but proving that man has done so is dissimilar in that this would be the first time that man has done so and there is no control from which to gauge the variables of man's action.
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    Originally Posted by Robert A Whit
    I dunno Ty. I have more confidence in the math of the creation of the universe than I have in global climate change. When you get a chance, take a look at some good photos of the Grand Canyon and realize how many years it takes to pack down an inch of sediment and then figure out how long it took to first make that canyon and how much longer it took a river to cut it out. They say you can see almost back to the beginning of earth time in that canyon if you know what to look for. All i know is it is very very old and not 6,000 or 10,000 years old.
    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    There's good reason to place more value on theories on the age of earth than anthropomorphic global climate change; the age of earth isn't unprecedented. Were I to say that the earths climate changes, that's proven by science to be true--it has changed, multiple times throughout history-- but proving that man has done so is dissimilar in that this would be the first time that man has done so and there is no control from which to gauge the variables of man's action.
    Not only that, but we must know these people come up with their claims. First if they claim they understand not one climate, but thousands of them, how they interact and what are the causes, they are shooting blanks. I learned a lot from Professor Lindzen and his papers.

    You know, as flexible as Earth is, warmer eras improve plant life in some areas and may make deserts larger too. Humans adapt. If we won't adapt, we will have many problems.
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    I'd go so far as to say there are no scientific dogmas (dogma: A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.)

    There are a few Mathematical Dogmas, but they are logically underpinned, and at the very least are as true as anything can ever said to be true. The rest is carved and woven by constant hypothesis, experimentation, hypothesis, experimentation, hypothesis, experimentation....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    I'd go so far as to say there are no scientific dogmas (dogma: A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.)

    There are a few Mathematical Dogmas, but they are logically underpinned, and at the very least are as true as anything can ever said to be true. The rest is carved and woven by constant hypothesis, experimentation, hypothesis, experimentation, hypothesis, experimentation....


    So, chemicals to microbes to man evolution is NOT 'incontrovertibly true', correct?
    And is open to question, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    So, chemicals to microbes to man evolution is NOT 'incontrovertibly true', correct? And is open to question, right?
    Ofcourse its open to question. The theory of evolution can be challenged just as easily as the theory of gravity, or electromagnetism etc.

    As Tim Minchin once quipped "They always say "But evolution is only a theory!&rdquo;, which is true, it is a theory, it&rsquo;s good that they say that, I think, it gives you hope, doesn&rsquo;t it? Hope that maybe they feel the same way about the theory of gravity&hellip; and they might just float the fuck away."
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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