About impeachment.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Without the House and Senate there isn't a chance of impeachment. Right now, I don't see it.

The movement to impeach grows daily. Were the media not the slime it is he would have already been impeached. The Senate is what stops it. Everybody knows that the Senate and Reid will block it. 2014 its imperative that we win the Senate. As far as I am concerned that SOB Reid should be handed his head in a bucket so to speak. How they keep electing that slime ball is a mystery to me. People from Nevada simply must be the dumbest shits on earth.--Tyr

[Gaffer]

We have the house. The house will impeach, but the senate will never convict. There are too many cronies of the dark one in there to get anything accomplished. Like having all the local gangsters of his time on Al Capone's jury.

It takes a 2/3 majority to convict in the senate. You couldn't find 1/3 of honest upright senators no matter how long you looked. The election next year won't replace all the senate cronies. There's too much cheating and fraud on their part. I have no faith in the system anymore.

A civil war is the only way to take down the elites in washington. I don't want that but I don't see any other way to do it. And the big problem after that is what comes next? I can picture lots of scenarios for the future and I don't like any of them.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We have the house. The house will impeach, but the senate will never convict. There are too many cronies of the dark one in there to get anything accomplished. Like having all the local gangsters of his time on Al Capone's jury.

It takes a 2/3 majority to convict in the senate. You couldn't find 1/3 of honest upright senators no matter how long you looked. The election next year won't replace all the senate cronies. There's too much cheating and fraud on their part. I have no faith in the system anymore.

A civil war is the only way to take down the elites in washington. I don't want that but I don't see any other way to do it. And the big problem after that is what comes next? I can picture lots of scenarios for the future and I don't like any of them.

Sad that the bolded statement above is likely dead on accurate. Sad for our children and grandchildren because sooner or later that is likely to happen. The system is too damn corrupt and the power seized too damn great for the other avenues attempted to succeed IMHO. Still I opt to give all avenues a shot because nothing is worse than a civil war, NOTHING. -Tyr

[Arbo]

A civil war is the only way to take down the elites in washington.

Congratulations, you just got on an NSA watch list.

If Obama were to attack Syria without the legislature approving, I see a valid point in impeachment. Not sure what this long laundry list of other 'impeachable' offenses are, lord knows a lot of the BS he pulls many before him have pulled.

I long for the day he isn't in office, but empty rhetoric about 'impeachment' is meaningless.

[Kathianne]

I'm unsure why this popped up on my active threads, but a few points:

1. 'Treason' is defined in the Constitution, the only crime that is so defined there. That is how serious the framers took that crime. Seriously, nothing Obama has done comes close to that definition.
2. There were reasons for 2 houses that the framers chose regarding Congress and impeachment, one to submit charges, the other to hear. The Senate is the more 'elite' members, from the get go. Truth is, they've become way too plebeian in the past 50 years. Still however, they are less likely to go off on polls and such. They may hate casting a vote, but they will, pain and all. Unlike the House members, their constituents are state wide.

[Arbo]

1. 'Treason' is defined in the Constitution, the only crime that is so defined there. That is how serious the framers took that crime. Seriously, nothing Obama has done comes close to that definition.

Spot on. That's why I am curious what this big list of impeachable things he has done is.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Congratulations, you just got on an NSA watch list. .

Gaffer is former military and a Vietnam War veteran so I doubt your admonishment about NSA WATCH LIST WAS NEEDED BY HIM SINCE HE HAS A FAR BETTER GRASP OF SUCH THINGS THAN YOU DO IMHO. Every American patriot is on their watch list or haven't you heard? Stick around and read his posts you'll learn far more than you likely ever knew..

[Kathianne]

When it comes to impeachment, 'high crimes and misdemeanors,' is the way to go. Treason is a very high mark, even if the crime were committed, nearly impossible to prove. That's in the constitution.

Personally, I don't like the current trend towards screaming for 'impeachment.' It's been going on since Nixon and it didn't come to that then and nothing has come close to that behavior since.

Ratchet it down.

Obama is more than likely going to be a lame duck, regardless of choices made in the coming days. His own works, though they will blame GOP, Bush, democrats in Congress, world...

[Arbo]

I doubt your admonishment about NSA WATCH LIST WAS NEEDED BY HIM SINCE HE HAS A FAR BETTER GRASP OF SUCH THINGS THAN YOU DO IMHO.

Did you see the wink after the line? Do you not understand that was a joke? Really?

Personally, I don't like the current trend towards screaming for 'impeachment.' It's been going on since Nixon and it didn't come to that then and nothing has come close to that behavior since.

Ratchet it down.

Obama is more than likely going to be a lame duck, regardless of choices made in the coming days. His own works, though they will blame GOP, Bush, democrats in Congress, world...

Well said.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Did you see the wink after the line? Do you not understand that was a joke? Really?



Well said.

Sure I saw it and know often its a way to admonish an opponent with an out to claim it was only a joke when/if called on it. Very few tricks one doesn't learn about human nature working in certain jobs.. Question is how will Gaffer look at it? I haven't a clue on that. --Tyr

[Arbo]

Sure I saw it and know often its a way to admonish an opponent with an out to claim it was only a joke when/if called on it. Very few tricks one doesn't learn about human nature working in certain jobs.. Question is how will Gaffer look at it? I haven't a clue on that. --Tyr

I have been 'online' since the days were we had 300 baud modems and you wrote your own BBS software in basic or pascal. This is the first time I have ever heard ANYONE claim that a wink smilie is anything other than a mark of joking around. Very impressive re-interpretation you have there.

But how about we stick to the topic. I am very interested to see a list of the impeachable things you and others think Obama has done. Can you provide that?

[fj1200]

But how about we stick to the topic. I am very interested to see a list of the impeachable things you and others think Obama has done. Can you provide that?

I would suggest searching the forum for "impeachment" but sadly that wouldn't narrow it down much.

[Arbo]

I would suggest searching the forum for "impeachment" but sadly that wouldn't narrow it down much.

I have no doubt there are similar threads that have been going on for years. I just figured if someone was so sure that there were so many impeachable things, they'd be able and willing to list them.

[fj1200]

I have no doubt there are similar threads that have been going on for years. I just figured if someone was so sure that there were so many impeachable things, they'd be able and willing to list them.

Oh they have. I'm sure only a short wait will be required and it will be presented again.

[Kathianne]

When it comes to impeachment, 'high crimes and misdemeanors,' is the way to go. Treason is a very high mark, even if the crime were committed, nearly impossible to prove. That's in the constitution.

Personally, I don't like the current trend towards screaming for 'impeachment.' It's been going on since Nixon and it didn't come to that then and nothing has come close to that behavior since.

Ratchet it down.

Obama is more than likely going to be a lame duck, regardless of choices made in the coming days. His own works, though they will blame GOP, Bush, democrats in Congress, world...

Look to the Constitution and other primary documents.