Originally Posted by
Drummond
A couple of quick points.
One .. Jafar works to sanitise Islam. He sees that Muslims do things that get them a bad press, things he cannot excuse, or at least credibly excuse .. then, they're 'not Muslims'. He takes that line, generally speaking, with terrorists, who, he says, go against Islam by turning to terrorism.
Well, Islam is going through that period now, and yeah, it gets ugly. There's a good chance it'll get uglier, too. So now, the reformation Muslims are looking on the Orthodox Muslims and going, "They really don't understand the word of the prophet." And the same is true in reverse.
... EXCEPT ... that, though on the one hand he is shy of outright celebrating their terrorism as such, Jafar is nevertheless broadly SUPPORTIVE OF HAMAS. Now, this makes no sense in the greater 'JafarWorld' view of things, IF he's against terrorism, since Hamas ARE TERRORISTS. But he supports them just the same.
Define "supportive of Hamas" for me. And it better not be "doesn't seem them as all evil who need to be wiped from the Earth". Those are still different things. People are allowed to see some good in bad people, you know, like Jesus did.
He recently indicated irritation with Hamas, on account of an alleged link they have with the Egyptian situation. Now, that 'irritation' didn't surface when Hamas's focus was on Israel. No, THEN it was absent. THEN, it was ISRAEL who were singled out for blame-game tactics.
Just like you're singling out Hamas for the blame? Israel isn't innocent, even if they are in the right over all.
So you see, Jafar is selective in his choice of terrorists, in his support of terrorism, in his choice of its victims. He prefers not to say so, but, demonstrably, he is.
No, he just doesn't see it as pure black and white.
And that, I suggest, doesn't make him as different from the Muslims you have in mind as you seem to think it does.
Suggestion noted, but dismissed as severely biased.
Other point ... you say 'the extremists' are going away, long term. I fail to see how you can come to any such conclusion. Based on what present-day evidence ? How is technological advance neutralising extremism ? What about Iran's rush to perfect its nuclear capabilities, twinned with Ahmadinejad's holocaustal threat against Israel ?
The Arab Spring, Israel, Iraq has been converted over. As to Iran, it's bluster at this point, because they ever did try to take the shot, they wouldn't be around to talk about it afterward. It was us, what, half a month to roll across Iraq, and maybe three months to take Afghanistan? Sure, there were issues afterward, but let's look at how fucking with us ended for Osama and Saddam. Even Hamas, what the hell are they going to do but piss and moan like an impotent jerk? I mean seriously, the second they try to act, both we and Israel will kick the shit out of them. Israel has the most advanced and well-trained military in the region, backed up by us, so what are their enemies' chances?
Do you imagine that there are no computer programmers out there, no website hosts, who are Islamic ? No Jihadist websites ? What makes you think that 'extremists' aren't embracing modern advances, and trying to use them for their own ends ?
They're a relic of past times, and as the Muslim countries become more technologically advanced, and their people become more educated as some Muslim from affluent countries return to affect change, their numbers will continue to fall.
Please be certain to read what I actually wrote, and not warp it with bias. Not every Muslim is an extremist, because by nature, extremists are the minority not the majority.
Islamists live in Western advanced societies. Do they integrate, or stand apart ? Are there no Islamic terrorists in Western advanced countries ? In that case, how do you explain - from the UK - Anjem Choudary ? Abu Hamza, who preached a Jihadist message for years in London, and who's now extradited to the US on terrorism charges ? How about the 7/7 attack on London ?? Or the attempted copycat attack, which a group of Muslims tried to perpetrate, again in London, two weeks later ?
Gee, with all the kind acceptance you and yours have given them, how could they not be ready and raring to go socialize? So basically, the United States supports rape and murder, because we do still have rapists and murderers, and the Catholic Church supports pedophilia because of that priest thing a few years back, and there may still be priests that feels that way? Suddenly not liking the broad brush method of judging others by their worst element.
Of course there are terrorists operating in the west. I mean, jesus, are you really trying to suggest that the best place for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan was Houston, TX? You send forces where the intended target is, and it's no different here. Oh yeah, and all of those were done by Middle Eastern terrorist groups, who sent someone here.
Do you know of evidence that the CIA, MI5, MI6, the FBI, are all scaling down their interest in Muslims at home and abroad because of ANY sign in a downturn in 'extremist activity' .. ? Because, I certainly don't.
The very LAST think that Western intelligence agencies should indulge is any trend to complacency !!!