Massacre in Kenya

[Drummond]

In yesterday's 'Metro' newspaper (a 'freebie' paper Brits pick up at railway stations, the Tube network in London, or in my case, the local bus ...) -

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/24/britis...d-man-4099859/

A four-year-old British boy survived the Kenyan shopping mall terror attack after standing up to a gunman and telling him: ‘You’re a very bad man.’

The boy was with his mother, who is in hospital recovering after being shot in the leg during the attack, and six-year-old sister when they were approached by one of the terrorists, the Sun reported.

As a gunman approached he shouted: ‘You’re a bad man, let us leave.’

The terrorist took pity on the family and after giving them Mars bars he let them escape with their mum, saying: ‘Please forgive me, we are not monsters.’

Their mother also scooped up two other kids, including a wounded 12-year-old boy whose mother had been murdered, and pushed them outside in a shopping trolley.

Photos of the boy in an ‘I Love NY’ T-shirt coming out of the mall with his sister and mother emerged during coverage of the siege.

His sister was also pictured standing over a dead body as armed cops laid siege to the centre.

The family, who live in Nairobi, had been on a routine shop in a supermarket.

The mother had briefly left her children with her trolley by the till and dashed off to get a bottle of wine when the killers burst in and started shooting.

She ran back through fleeing shoppers to reach her kids.

The boy’s uncle said: ‘They had a lucky escape. The terrorists said if any kids were alive in the supermarket they could leave. Amber made a decision to stand up and say, “Yes”.

‘Then [the boy] argued with them and called them bad men. He was very brave. The terrorists even gave the kids Mars bars.’

The mother revealed one said they only want to kill Kenyans and Americans.

She added: ‘He told me I had to change my religion to Islam and said, “Do you forgive us?”’

So, this murdering terrorist is 'not a monster', eh ? Yes, and I'm sure he spent his time during the siege 'proving' it ... handing out Mars bars is an excellent basis for exoneration for multiple murder, I'm sure ...

Also note the stated expectation of conversion to Islam .. via coercion, after witnessing murders ?? Do you still say they're not Islamic, Jafar ? Because THEY thought they were ---

And yes, this scum wanted to target Americans as victims. Lefties intent on fighting for terrorist 'human rights' might want to give that some thought (?).

[aboutime]

Sir Drummond, and all who take such things seriously, rather than calling them "Crying Wolf" or "The Sky is Falling", made up fabrications of paranoia.

Just imagine "IF" the same kinds of terror attacks begin to happen HERE IN THE U.S.A.?

Most complain about their rights being violated by the NSA, CIA, FBI, ICE, or just normal Police departments because those agencies are constantly trying to locate, and stop such attacks from taking place.

But. Just let one such attack, as we have seen in Kenya happen here, and the likely whiners will be up in arms, and complaining those agencies I mentioned....weren't doing their jobs.

You can't have it both ways. And, God Forbid. YES....I SAID GOD FORBID...something that size takes place in one of our Local Mall's, in Anytown USA.

It's not impossible. But most of those who complain the most about losing their rights...for no good reason, other than to be heard, and to impress their Under, Un-educated friends who whine the very same way...may just need to learn the hard truth about Terror in our world today.
You know? The Terror the Obama administration WANTS US to believe...doesn't exist, or can't happen here????

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

In yesterday's 'Metro' newspaper (a 'freebie' paper Brits pick up at railway stations, the Tube network in London, or in my case, the local bus ...) -

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/24/britis...d-man-4099859/



So, this murdering terrorist is 'not a monster', eh ? Yes, and I'm sure he spent his time during the siege 'proving' it ... handing out Mars bars is an excellent basis for exoneration for multiple murder, I'm sure ...

Also note the stated expectation of conversion to Islam .. via coercion, after witnessing murders ?? Do you still say they're not Islamic, Jafar ? Because THEY thought they were ---

And yes, this scum wanted to target Americans as victims. Lefties intent on fighting for terrorist 'human rights' might want to give that some thought (?).

The average lefty here is delusional and thinks because they share common enemy with Islam that they will be immuned did I mention that the average lefty here is about as smart as a brick? Those asshats still think that Islam can be bartered with! They wanted to murder Americans,, obvious that Obama's blackness and messiah halo didn't ring a bell with them. Only Allah matters! All that refuse to admit/acknowledge what that portends are idiots IMHO. And a damn lot of Americans are in that boat!! -Tyr

[jafar00]

In yesterday's 'Metro' newspaper (a 'freebie' paper Brits pick up at railway stations, the Tube network in London, or in my case, the local bus ...) -

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/24/britis...d-man-4099859/



So, this murdering terrorist is 'not a monster', eh ? Yes, and I'm sure he spent his time during the siege 'proving' it ... handing out Mars bars is an excellent basis for exoneration for multiple murder, I'm sure ...

Also note the stated expectation of conversion to Islam .. via coercion, after witnessing murders ?? Do you still say they're not Islamic, Jafar ? Because THEY thought they were ---

And yes, this scum wanted to target Americans as victims. Lefties intent on fighting for terrorist 'human rights' might want to give that some thought (?).

Yes, they are not Islamic.

[Drummond]

Yes, they are not Islamic.

They're all delusional, Jafar. Every terrorist, everywhere in the world, no matter who they are, no matter how many there are, they ALL have somehow, amazingly coincidentally, drawn the same 'false inferences' from the Koran .... and you, the one person that you are, know better than all of them ....

Not so long ago, a long list of Koranic quotes was posted, showing how much of a war'like' inspiration some of its verses are. I reposted that list some days later, Jafar.

Tell you what. Since you're so much of a fan of Hamas, care to explain how it comes to be that THEY, too, believe - and act - as terrorists, that their terrorism, they are sure, serves their religion ?

How do you explain it ?

Since you support them, why not represent them here, and defend them ? Show us how, if other terrorists are ANTI Islamic by being the terrorists they are, how it is that Hamas, with THEIR terrorism, are PRO Islamic by contrast ... and thus deserve your support ?

Isn't it time you explained that ?

Perhaps their terrorism is a 'better class' of terrorism than anyone else's ?

Let's see if you can do so, Jafar. What makes THEIR terrorism acceptable in Islamic terms, and Hamas NOT worthy of being labelled 'dogs' ?

[fj1200]

... terrorist 'human rights' ...

What they're entitled to and what they're deserving of are two different things so end of discussion on that point.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What they're entitled to and what they're deserving of are two different things so end of discussion on that point.

ahhh, so now tell us what they deserve....

[fj1200]

ahhh, so now tell us what they deserve....

1. What any human does, and 2. The death penalty.

[Drummond]

What they 'deserve', FJ, according to you, is ...

1. What any human does, and 2. The death penalty.

Previously, you posted ...

What they're entitled to and what they're deserving of are two different things so end of discussion on that point.

??????????????????

Are you arguing purely for the sake of it ??

What I get from your disparate (or is that 'desperate' ?) posting is that you see terrorists as fully human, deserving of full human rights. Which is, to say the least, what Lefties insist upon arguing for, for them, and fighting to ensure they enjoy.

What we're getting from you, FJ, apart from all the egotism (.. prepare for some arrogant crossings-out practice ... are you ready ?? ..) is pure, simple, bog-standard Leftieism. You cannot justify your belief that terrorists are human and deserving (or not, according to who you're posting to !!) of human rights, but your Leftie agenda insists upon finding ways of arguing it.

I say: WHAT ABOUT THEIR VICTIMS - DON'T THEY HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS ??

[aboutime]

What they 'deserve', FJ, according to you, is ...



Previously, you posted ...



??????????????????

Are you arguing purely for the sake of it ??

What I get from your disparate (or is that 'desperate' ?) posting is that you see terrorists as fully human, deserving of full human rights. Which is, to say the least, what Lefties insist upon arguing for, for them, and fighting to ensure they enjoy.

What we're getting from you, FJ, apart from all the egotism (.. prepare for some arrogant crossings-out practice ... are you ready ?? ..) is pure, simple, bog-standard Leftieism. You cannot justify your belief that terrorists are human and deserving (or not, according to who you're posting to !!) of human rights, but your Leftie agenda insists upon finding ways of arguing it.

I say: WHAT ABOUT THEIR VICTIMS - DON'T THEY HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS ??

Sir Drummond. For some reason. I keep imagining that fj is actually gabby, in reverse drag.

[jafar00]

They're all delusional, Jafar. Every terrorist, everywhere in the world, no matter who they are, no matter how many there are, they ALL have somehow, amazingly coincidentally, drawn the same 'false inferences' from the Koran .... and you, the one person that you are, know better than all of them ....

Ask any Muslim who has done at least a little study about Islam and he would agree with me. You cannot produce a scrap of evidence that these "monsters" acted in accordance with Islam.

1. What any human does, and 2. The death penalty.

for 2) you would need Sharia

[fj1200]

What they 'deserve', FJ, according to you, is ...

Previously, you posted ...

??????????????????

Not sure what you're confused about. Perhaps your imagination is forsaking you. They are entitled to human rights though they are not deserving of them and as they have seen to deny the natural rights, life in this case, of others they have given up their claim on same.

Are you arguing purely for the sake of it ??

What I get from your disparate (or is that 'desperate' ?) posting is that you see terrorists as fully human, deserving of full human rights. Which is, to say the least, what Lefties insist upon arguing for, for them, and fighting to ensure they enjoy.

What we're getting from you, FJ, apart from all the egotism (.. prepare for some arrogant crossings-out practice ... are you ready ?? ..) is pure, simple, bog-standard Leftieism. You cannot justify your belief that terrorists are human and deserving (or not, according to who you're posting to !!) of human rights, but your Leftie agenda insists upon finding ways of arguing it.

I say: WHAT ABOUT THEIR VICTIMS - DON'T THEY HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS ??

Nothing disparate (nor desperate) in my posts. I don't have to demonize those I'm discussing points with while attempting to make a rational and logical argument as you do. Of course you can't make a simple post without your "leftie" crutch. Oh yes, and that whole "ego" bit. And no, I'm not arguing, I made a statement; if you have issue then we can discuss it rationally; if you have it in you that is.

And yes, their victims do have human rights as do we all.

[fj1200]

for 2) you would need Sharia

Not if you have capital punishment which I would imagine Kenya does.

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. For some reason. I keep imagining that fj is actually gabby, in reverse drag.

Happily, I've yet to suffer such an affliction ....

[Drummond]

Not sure what you're confused about. Perhaps your imagination is forsaking you. They are entitled to human rights though they are not deserving of them and as they have seen to deny the natural rights, life in this case, of others they have given up their claim on same.



Nothing disparate (nor desperate) in my posts. I don't have to demonize those I'm discussing points with while attempting to make a rational and logical argument as you do. Of course you can't make a simple post without your "leftie" crutch. Oh yes, and that whole "ego" bit. And no, I'm not arguing, I made a statement; if you have issue then we can discuss it rationally; if you have it in you that is.

And yes, their victims do have human rights as do we all.

Here's the thing. By 'we all', you're effectively, and even 'logically', trying to group terrorist savages in with decent people. In so doing, you lose any moral high ground (if you ever had it in the first place).

Tell me this. Does an enemy combatant, in the field of battle, automatically have the 'human right' not to be shot and killed ? YES OR NO ?

If 'NO', then I pose this question.

The enemy combatant may be, most probably is, a human being. Yet, if 'no', said combatant, though human, can be killed as the enemy it is.

Now contrast that with a terrorist savage, captured and placed in Gitmo. There, you have enemy combatants, captured in the field of battle, whose lives have been saved by capture. YET, they're demonstrably not human. They don't think as human beings do. They lack the moral standards of humans. They're devoid of human empathy, and capable of killing as casually as others might light a match.

Enter cloud-cuckooland Lefties on to the scene (feel free to identify with same) who argue for the application of 'human rights' of NON humans, over and above the more human enemy combatants whose lives, by being enemies, were forfeit !

WHY should subhuman savages have MORE rights than THEM ?

Feel free, as the Leftie you are, to concoct an answer compatible with whatever Leftie agenda you hold most dear.